Hi Processor thanks for the reply,in regards to the LFS or any other holding my fish stock temporarely thats a thing i would be a bit dubious about,especially with some of the shops practises and things that ive witnessed untrained staff getting up to.Also a lot of shops have all or most of their tanks linked into a main filter system which can be a bad thing for potential cross contamination of infection or disease.As well as that i,m trying to keep at least half the water so as not to put to much undo stress on the fish,water chemistry change etc so have just purchaced a couple of them 40 ltr flexi buckets and a couple of other buckets for roughly 20 euro.
As to the uneven floor...although its uneven theres no problem with that,took plenty of time to level and pack up the differances in height especially where the pressure points would be from the 8 " feet " of the unit.I then placed 3 by 2 inch timber length ways for the tank unit to sit on to distribute the weight.Checked with a spirit level as it was filling and gaining weight and no problems,level and plumb.
Its the tanks plastic strut construction that is at fault and so i feel definately that they are not a good buy.If there was a glass strut in the centre i wouldnt be having this problem and a certain lack of peace of mind so it sems like in regards to this situation... the old way is the best way for sure,....thanks.

Hi lads,got the Juwel Rio 180 tank replaced for another roughly 5 weeks ago and everything seemed fine UNTILL a few days ago and noticed a problem A gap was starting to appear between the lid and inner frame,on further investigation i noticed that the silicone on the strutt seemed to be ok but when viewed along the length of the tank at the top the front panel glass had 2 bows forming either side of the centre strutt...
Browsed the web and came across a site for Juwel spare parts www.urmstonaquatics.com/juwelspares.html, couldnt believe they were selling replacement brace bars for Vision and Rio tanks to stop the front and back glass from bowing.Surely then this is a major problem with Juwel tanks moving away from the old brace and strutt design,it now seems to me that the double bow that i have in my tank glass proves this and that the glass thickness needed and should have been increased to take the extra stress and pressure of a tank full of water......

Hi Nomad

Sorry to hear that you are still having trouble, but I am not surprised because I think it is present in most Rio 180 and maybe other models too. I have two 180's and they are both like that, but I am not worried, I really don't think the front is going to give way.

That website is http://www.urmstonaquatics.com/juwelspares.html however it is not a Juwel site and I suspect that they are just taking advantage of people that are worried about the design of the Juwel.

For sure it would be better if they did not bulge and Juwel should amend their design, having another manufacturer producing parts to retro fit to your brand to make them more secure is hardly good PR.

Hi Darragh,thanks for that,fingers crossed for now,.............

try this link i normally try to go straight to the manufactures in situations like this and generally they are very customer driven who knows they might be generous and replace it again for you, i've done this in the past and its worked for me... don't know what juwels service is like but try it anyway.. let them know you've had it replaced already because of this problem and it is occuring again

www.juwel-aquarium.de/en/contact.htm

P.s. having just been on the Juwel sight they do not have brace bears in their accessories list so i reckon Daragh is right about someone making money out of others misfortunes and if juwel are any good at pr they should sort it out for you, when contacting them be nice but firm.. aquariums ain't cheap

Hi Sheag35,actually sent Juwel an email the other week about the ongoing problems i.e plastic strutt and frame problems regarding the silicone that its fixed with weakening allowing the glass to bow under the pressure of water.I addressed it as a safety concern regarding the Rio 180,s and informed them of the replacement strutts being sold by another website,their reply.......
No.1 that even because of the bulging glass that the tanks were safe.No.2 that replacement brace bars can be purchaced from a local supplier if i was worried and no.3 that i was entitled under the tanks 24 month warranty to bring it back for replacement.
I have done this already and have a similar problem with the replacement so thats 2 tanks in 5 months,fingers crossed especially for the residents of the tank too which give so much pleasure,thanks.....

My Rio 240 is doing the very same and its 2 months old.Is there any point on returning it if the replacement is going to do the same? I'm not that worried about as glass does bend under preasure but I will be getting worried if it spreads too far.

Pat

Hi Pat,replaceing the tank theres no point really,its not the solution to the problem its the manufacturing design of the Juwel tanks.that needs to be addressed by Juwel themselves.A full refund and the purchace of another tank from a reputable manufacturer that does not sell to the public a problem with a product is the only true option. One that has been tried and tested across the board by fishkeepers themselves and publicised by forum or word of mouth from ownership experience.
Years back i remember Juwel were a bit pricey but had a good name,no longer does this i feel ring true, the amount of feedback regarding problems with there tanks says it all.............