Interesting.
I just chucked 9 juveniles into a 180l planted the other day. Am liking them so far.
The otto's aren't....
The baby males are already having squabbles over feeding patches.
They even eat the algae above the water line! (freaky to watch, but they seem happy)

Cheers for the comment guys.

murph wrote:
Interesting.
I just chucked 9 juveniles into a 180l planted the other day. Am liking them so far.
The otto's aren't....
The baby males are already having squabbles over feeding patches.
They even eat the algae above the water line! (freaky to watch, but they seem happy)

I find the young mostly feed along the water line. So this is were i place the food.
Did you breed them yourself?
What size or age are they?
What type are they?

Any info you can give may help me solve this puzzle.

What size are the juveniles.
Also interested did u spawn them,lovely fish.. Will be getting some soon.
When i find some
Regards,
Denis

Platty

The pics all looking great, I see alot of your feeds are marine based !!!! this as with the fresh water feed for marine feed can cause all sorts of agro.

you could write a book ill try to find the link that cracked the nutritional profiling for the marine fish and might have some info for you.

Keep up the good work

You must pop over have a look, i now working on live feed production for retail so always something to be done.

James.

Hi James. All the food offered are commonly fed to fresh water fish even if some are from marine or brackish origin.
Tabimin earthworm pellets, live brine shrimp, spirulina, cucumber, prawns, white worms, NLS grow and terra A.

I wouldn't mind popping over for a chat. Are you still in the shop or 100% concentrating on your own thing?

Platty

I am in the shop on a 3 day week wed/thurs/fri bread and butter needed !!!!

I know that these marine based foods are there in aquaculture but there not there in the wild. the species have evolved over millions of years and here in today's world we feed food stuffs that can only be found in one place in the world !!! (spirulina) to an animal that is used to and evolved on a certain feed. Although these food stuffs make life easy for us and in some cases help with growth color and conditioning there is always a draw back ........ that we can only learn by trial and error As for the future species that are breed on these improvised feeds it is stated that the fry, adults are although growing and coloring up better then wild found fish. They have suppressed features in the way of reproduction and immunity to genetic weakness.

Keeping it simple even though you have all the feeds ...... you are still loosing fry. Its a killer, but think back to nature if its pond scum and weed they need its just a case of finding out which one.

This i think is what the challenge is.

James.

Aquatic_Innovations wrote:
Although these food stuffs make life easy for us and in some cases help with growth color and conditioning there is always a draw back ........ that we can only learn by trial and error As for the future species that are breed on these improvised feeds it is stated that the fry, adults are although growing and coloring up better then wild found fish. They have suppressed features in the way of reproduction and immunity to genetic weakness.:

Very true. Unfortunately i dont know exactly were these fish come from let alone what they eat in the wild. For all i know they could feed off fresh water sponges or the fry could feed of a certain larvae.
I know some similar species have no trouble reproducing in captivity and others are a nightmare to raise. But it's just a case of figuring it out. I make it sound so simple:laugh

These normally only spawn twice a year for me so i dont get much time to try different things to raise them. But i will keep trying and hopefully get there in the end.

It is simple ..... just a killer finding out whats missing !!!!

But keep it up you will get there in the end.

J

Hi guys,
they are supposed to be panamese, but they have the tail extensions of sp. festivum.
Got them in Blanch the other day. They are about 4.5 to 6cm body length, excluding tail extensions (which are a bit variable and a bit crooked), so I think they are about 3-4 months old.
They seem to have milled through some courgette centre in a night. (wasn't the ottos- they won't touch the seeds). Algae wafers are not proving attractive so far. I haven't tried peas yet.




For what it's worth: Did about 30%wc last night. Temp would have dropped to about 23.4 from the usual 24.6. Today all the whiptails are covered in whitespot! (Nothing else has it, yet...). Looks like small changes till they get used to things.

Quick update:

They have gone mad for a plecomin tab I put in earlier. Not the tab its-self, but the bits everything else spits out (probably the algae!).

One of them has figured out that algae wafers are food. Give it a month and the rest will cop on (It took 2 months for my first ottos to figure this out, a month after the farlowellas got the message.)
Some courgette I tried at water-level has gone untouched so far, but it probably won't have fermented sufficiently there yet. Will give it a bit longer and see what happens.