"grandiose bubble"

Great, you have me summed up in two words...most erudite of you to make this observation.

And, even though you're nothing to do with Organic Aqua, it has certainly given them an awful lot of publicity.

Still, I suppose we're all doing this - I can imagine everyone concerned are rubbing their hands together with glee.

'nuff said (from me too). You can rest assured, your integrity's unscathed.

John

Sorry if I offended, I may have written that post with a more defensive tone then was warrented. Someone pointed out to me that OA was pushed allot before on this forum so I can understand better your perspective. I however was not around or involved in any previous discussion and do not want to bring up any old disputes that are none of my business. I know I said I would say no more but felt it appropriate to reply. I certainly do not wish to aggravate people I have not met such as yourself, Sorry for my choice of words.

Let us remember - Forums - especially this one - exist for everyone to contribute opinions, and long may it remain that way!

You shouldn't, therefore, apologise for your choice of words, they were what you felt and we're all adults here (I think we are, might be wrong?) so can all accept criticism.

I have my opinions of Organic Aqua, you have yours, let's agree to differ.

This will run and run, I expect, but hopefully not for too long.

:0)

John

Trimax, thanks for your insightful observations and analysis on the performance of OA as you have experienced it. Thank you also for showing maturity beyond most 24 year olds in offering an apology to JohnH. I have often been in your situation and not always had the good sense to bury the hatchet.

JohnH, thanks for offering your own perspective on OA. Life would be very boring if we all banged the same drum and without contrarian opinions it would be all too easy for snakeoil salesmen to thrive.

I too don't agree with blatant hijacking of discussion threads by people with a commercial interest in promoting a product but I do feel it is part of this and any other hobby/specialist type forum to examine the performance of new products and discuss the experience of members trying those products. If those using the product see great results then why not share that information with as many fishkeepers as possible so others can benfit even if that does mean we are 'promoting' the product. Do we not want more people like the owners of OA to invest in R&D to produce products which will improve the health of fish or make fish keeping easier and more appealing to more people etc?

I am delighted that this thread was resurected, the more information that can be gathered on this product the better, God knows the manufacturers and distributors are tight lipped enough, so we can only go with users experience. I have tried to get this thread going before after it was essentially closed down by childish comments and games by another member, that is five months one week ago and it has only come back to life in the last week or so.

I don't currently use the product and haven't for maybe a year or so, but I have used it with great success in the past and fairly recently I used just the health treatment as a stand alone, but I can not point to any particular benefit, the fish may have recovered anyway.

Johnh I understand that you are setting up a tank with OA on the weekend, I am sure you will report your findings here in the future.

On an English forum I am a member of I raised OA twice, exactly one year apart and neither post got one reply, the product seems pretty much unlnown in the UK for whatever reason.

Daragh

Thanks Ben, it is easy to type biting comments when in a heated debate and not so easy to apologise later! I have been accused of being an adult allot recently so I suppose I had better act like one Seriously though I understand this forum is a real asset to the hobby in Ireland and want to keep up with the spirit of community in this forum. I have my opinions as others do and sometimes I can be abrubt with statements but I am interested in the pursuit of improving the hobby in Ireland and in learning from the more experienced fish keepers here. I think it's a great forum and am here to learn, share info and help out where I can. Well i've said my piece so at the risk of hijacking the thread i'll leave it be. Look forward to reading of other peoples experiences of organic aqua.

Trimax wrote:
. Nitrates will also evaporate slowly through gas exchange on the surface of the water provided the water tension is broken by a current.

Nitrates bond to the oxygen particles in a marine protein skimmer, and are forced up and out of the water.

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I am sorry to see PFK banned the organic poster, that's not right if there is any thing I can do to get Organic on the face of the earth good or bad news including north America and the U.K and not just inside ROI I will help, I do not think its right for a poster to say a poster is childish because some one is backing up with proven links that the people behind organic could be ify and even hidding their address(es) on their website even though do on www.whois.com registry. It is hurtful when a poster says that a poster 5 months ago was being childish when they accept/grab bags of FREE rare fish from via Grosvenor Tropicals from the person he says is being childish what happen to business etiquette?



On a completely different note which perhaps I should of made in a second/different post, Trimax thanks for your explaimation on the technical process of Organic, before I can swallow what you say, you need to satisfy me about two of the non organic conventional bio aquatic chemistry statements you have made.

I thing both are incorrect please can you support them with some links to back up what you are stating.

NH3 and NH4 can come out of solution be degassing but not NO3. also organics such as protein phenols can be forced out of a protein skimmer but not inert chemical such as NO3, naturally its also pushes up water so if a cup full of protein scum will removed water also just scouping directly a cup of water out of the tank..

Sean wrote:

It is hurtful when a poster says that a poster 5 months ago was being childish when they accept/grab bags of FREE rare fish from via Grosvenor Tropicals from the person he says is being childish what happen to business etiquette?



Sean I take EXTREME exception to your lie that I accepted or grabbed Bags of free fish from Grosvenor which you supplied.

EDIT: I have deleted the rest of this post as I will take the issue up personally with Sean, no need to muddy this thread futher.

Daragh

Lads.....
Dont be getting upset....I'm not getting involved here ..But .....In reality......Life is too short....


Lar

Unfortunatly Sean I don't have links to support my explanation of how OA works and used the protein Skimmer as an analogy to explain my experience with how OA works in lay terms as I am not a scientist. I have used and tested the hell out of OA using The best indicator of it's performance, fish wellbeing and survival rate over long period of time compared to the performance of the previous traditional system. I get my info from books, people and experience not wikipedia so I don't feel the need to go trawling through the web looking for pages to support my opinions. I'm not into copying and pasting and calling it first hand knowledge so I won't be getting into a weblinks war with ya here sorry to disappoint. I'm not trying to sell organic so I don't care if your satisfied or not.

Also I think your post is difficult to read and quite rude and unnecessary especially regarding Daragh, I don't think you posted that with any good intentions. I think the internet term is Troll.