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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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28 May 2013 06:50 #1 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hi

Are the eheim air pumps quiet? I have an interpet and it is beginning to get on my nerves, I moved it off the cabinet and it is still noisy.

Thx

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28 May 2013 07:10 #2 by mars (Gedas)
Replied by mars (Gedas) on topic Maybe a silly question
If you want quiet air pump, get tetratec air pump.
I'm using my self and really happy.

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28 May 2013 07:37 #3 by Homer (Kevin)
If you suspend it from an elastic Band it will have no vibrations.

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28 May 2013 07:39 #4 by mossy (gavin blanchfield)
try put some aeroboard under it

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28 May 2013 09:10 #5 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Maybe a silly question
Quite often a noisy air pump can be caused by perhaps two (or maybe three) 'problems' -

#1, (and this is quite a prevalent problem) the pump has an air filter (usually underneath) and this quite quickly becomes blocked. A rinse and dry can work wonders here (obviously with the filter having been removed firstly).
#2, Make sure some of the air output from the pump is vented so that not all the output (from each chamber if it has more than one) is going into the water. You would need a 'tee' airline union and a regulating valve to tap off any excess output. In other words, you shouldn't be letting all the air go into the filter/airstone but only using what is needed with the remainder being allowed to escape into the atmosphere.
#3, If the accessory (airstone/filter) has become a bit blocked that will put more back pressure on the pump, causing it to become more noisy. Try disconnecting the tubing from the pump and then blow through it yourself and see if there is much resistance. If there is you might want to try cleaning all the air tubing and connections with something like vinegar to help clear any blockages.
If it's an airstone causing the resistance it should be replaced.
Should all these options fail then a new pump might be your only solution.
As suggested, the Tetratec is pretty good and well behaved - as is the Eheim range.
Any further suggestions for Q?

John

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28 May 2013 09:27 #6 by Aquaman (Brian Gillick)
I have a Tetratec APS-100 and an Eheim Air Pump 400. Both are very quiet but the output is much better from the Eheim (plus it has 2 controllable air outlets versus the Tetratec's single uncontrollable one)
Neither air pump will let you down.

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28 May 2013 10:07 #7 by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
I'm trying to get money together to change my interpret air pump to another eheim 1
I have an eheim running on my community tank and ya wouldn't hear it.....
The other 1 has been getting on my nerve for some time now, just other things have been more important than changing a noisy pump for the lastwhile........
I know they ain't expensive, but I don't really have money just to throw around at the moment!

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28 May 2013 11:17 #8 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)
the eheim pumps are in my opinion the best and quietest available . They are really really really really really really really really really quiet

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28 May 2013 11:19 #9 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Maybe a silly question

They are really really really really really really really really really quiet


Are you trying to make a point here?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

John

ps I do agree, though.

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28 May 2013 11:27 #10 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)

They are really really really really really really really really really quiet


Are you trying to make a point here?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

John

ps I do agree, though.


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nah , jus messin

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28 May 2013 12:38 #11 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Maybe a silly question
"i work for eheim"

Excellent reply, made me chuckle.

John

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28 May 2013 12:59 #12 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Quiet Air Pump:
definition ~ "one that is unplugged from the mains and is not touching off an air-pump that is plugged in".

The quietest air-pump that I had was a piston pump (big metal disc on it and all that).

So many "quiet" air-pumps have come and gone that ultimately it comes down to one thing: reliability and power (for the money).
The old Rena pumps are top.
Eheim....second division air-pumps that lack power and will become noisy.
Sera 4-ouput pumps are cheap, powerful and low noise. Great pump for the money. I have one 4 output Sera in the living room that is thrown on top of wires and plugs and all other sorts of junk and it is quiet (and is also powering air-driven protein skimmers, filters, brine-shrimp hatcheries).

The original question is not silly at all. And, as JohnH points out, the way a pump is anchored and used will also affect the noise.

ian

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28 May 2013 13:07 #13 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)

Eheim....second division air-pumps that lack power and will become noisy.


no way man , super pumps with NO noise




we can beg to differ

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28 May 2013 13:40 #14 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

Eheim....second division air-pumps that lack power and will become noisy.


no way man , super pumps with NO noise




we can beg to differ


There is one thing is their favour....and that one thing does make them a good pump in the end......they endure, and will keep a good flow even with age. They are also good at giving a nice flow rate even at varying depths of water.
I put them in the second division as they do not compete with piston pumps (or my Sera pump ;))

Whereas some makes of pump are great when new, but once they start experiencing that slighlty clogged air-stone they start to go down hill very quickly. Not only that, once the depth of water starts to increase some pumps give up very quickly. They are in pub-lunch-break soccer league.

Actually, brand-wars is quite cool. Some brands used to be product leaders, but have gone hill quite a bit....yet still hang on to the fact of their lead in the 70s (sorry Tetra.....you're losing out)

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28 May 2013 13:50 #15 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Thx to all for the advice, I'm gonna try the elastic and if that fails probably order an eheim I think I can get two output one for €30.

The interpet can go live in the garage for the water change bin(s)

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28 May 2013 13:56 #16 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)

Eheim....second division air-pumps that lack power and will become noisy.


no way man , super pumps with NO noise




we can beg to differ


There is one thing is their favour....and that one thing does make them a good pump in the end......they endure, and will keep a good flow even with age. They are also good at giving a nice flow rate even at varying depths of water.
I put them in the second division as they do not compete with piston pumps (or my Sera pump ;))

Whereas some makes of pump are great when new, but once they start experiencing that slighlty clogged air-stone they start to go down hill very quickly. Not only that, once the depth of water starts to increase some pumps give up very quickly. They are in pub-lunch-break soccer league.

Actually, brand-wars is quite cool. Some brands used to be product leaders, but have gone hill quite a bit....yet still hang on to the fact of their lead in the 70s (sorry Tetra.....you're losing out)

ian
ian



so we dont have to take it outside then ?



thank god for that

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28 May 2013 17:42 #17 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)

Eheim....second division air-pumps that lack power and will become noisy.


no way man , super pumps with NO noise




we can beg to differ


There is one thing is their favour....and that one thing does make them a good pump in the end......they endure, and will keep a good flow even with age. They are also good at giving a nice flow rate even at varying depths of water.
I put them in the second division as they do not compete with piston pumps (or my Sera pump ;))

Whereas some makes of pump are great when new, but once they start experiencing that slighlty clogged air-stone they start to go down hill very quickly. Not only that, once the depth of water starts to increase some pumps give up very quickly. They are in pub-lunch-break soccer league.

Actually, brand-wars is quite cool. Some brands used to be product leaders, but have gone hill quite a bit....yet still hang on to the fact of their lead in the 70s (sorry Tetra.....you're losing out)

ian
ian



so we dont have to take it outside then ?



thank god for that


Lets settle this at mondello park, single seaters at dawn :woohoo:

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28 May 2013 22:28 #18 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
@igmillichip

You mention Sera, have you used Sera filters? I was considering one with UV

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13 Jun 2013 14:21 #19 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
So got an eheim 400 and it is indeed very quiet. The interpet is being consigned to shed only duty

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13 Jun 2013 15:03 #20 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
That's good to hear (or not :woohoo: ) as I was thinking of getting one to power my nirox s80

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13 Jun 2013 16:32 #21 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hehe

It came with some air line but it is the plastic stuff.

If you have to get a pump and the filters aren't you getting close to JBL e901 price (€90) or is the decision more about function than price?

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13 Jun 2013 17:09 #22 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
Well Seahorse sell the Eheim 400 for €35 I think. And my Nirox s80 cost €18.50 (and it's a far bigger sponge than I would actually need in the tank it's intended for), so I reckon I'm still coming out on top. Esp since the Eheim could serve two seperate sponge filters in two seperate tanks. From what I've heard, sponges are among the best for biological filtration

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13 Jun 2013 17:32 #23 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Yeah I guess the pump can do more than on job for multiple tanks. Maybe a 901 for the goldies isn't the only option hmmmm

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13 Jun 2013 19:51 #24 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
Though canister filters are supposed to be better for mechanical filtration and goldies are filthy buggers. Though maybe others will disagree

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13 Jun 2013 20:56 #25 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
They have an internal canister at the mo but was thinking of an upgrade

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13 Jun 2013 21:07 #26 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
if you run that with a sponge filter, you should be fine in my opinion. the internal scrubbing the water and the sponge doing the bio. you could even rejig the media in your internal so it's more mechanical than bio

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16 Jun 2013 08:50 #27 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
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16 Jun 2013 09:42 #28 by igmillichip (ian millichip)


These were the pumps I remember well. Never failed, and not noise.

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16 Jun 2013 09:51 #29 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
And still going strong. Brilliant Pumps

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16 Jun 2013 10:28 #30 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I have not seen one of those for sale in shops in years.

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