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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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11 May 2013 22:12 - 11 May 2013 23:55 #1 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
I will throw up some shots of the native marines that I keep

This is one of the squat lobsters, Galathea strigosa, spends most of its time hiding but comes out to claim some of the food at feeding time

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11 May 2013 22:17 - 11 May 2013 22:19 #2 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
This is a juvenile female lumpsucker Cyclopterus lumpus that I was minding for the Dingle aquarium after it was given to them by one of the fishing boats in Howth.

It is a deadly looking fish as it spends all of its time looking at you.
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11 May 2013 22:38 - 11 May 2013 23:53 #3 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
A bluemouth, Helicolenus dactylopterus currently resident in one of my tanks

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12 May 2013 09:17 #4 by cichliddave (dave coughlan)
stunning,r theese all native to irish waters pal,wot about a gurnard

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12 May 2013 10:34 - 12 May 2013 10:36 #5 by Mike53 (Michael)
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Fantastic pictures Dec, thanks for sharing.
It's amazing to see that our native fish are as colourful and unusual if not more than many of the tropical marines.
Loads of questions, what size tanks do you keep them in, how do you keep the water chilled and what do you feed these fellas ?
What else do you keep? Is it all native marines.
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12 May 2013 11:37 #6 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Great pics.

Let's hear more on these.

ian

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12 May 2013 12:32 #7 by sincgar (Feargal Costello)
super photos. as previous poster please post some details of sizes, chilling etc

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12 May 2013 14:14 #8 by theangryman (chris)
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Great pics and great fish as above as much info as possible please on your setup

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12 May 2013 17:44 #9 by pit (Piotr Urbanski)
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Man, this is good!
Show us more.

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12 May 2013 23:39 #10 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
Here is one of the male Connemara Clingfish, Lepadogaster candolii. One of the best species i have kept so far, rarely seen when rockpooling but within a week, the six guys that i have pop out as soon as they see a shadow near the tank.



on the question of tanks, i have currently 4 marine setups, 2x four footers 18" high, a 100l and a four footer x two foot x 18".

The water is collected from Howth around high water, filtered and UV'd and then allow to warm up to the garage temperature before being used as a top up or complete fill. You just have to make sure that the weather hasnt been blowing and there isnt much shite in the water with weed etc.

The filtration in each tank is undergravel with powerheads, a large external and a skimmer.I use an air blower for all the tanks as i have about 16 tanks for axolotls in addition to the marines and native USA minnows and darters.

Temperatures can go as high as 24C but no issues as the rise is gradual. If I see the fish getting stressed then i can move them out of the tank and place in one of the barrels on the floor of the garage as it usually is about 4-6 degrees cooler than at eye level. I also hav a large fan circulating air around the garage from now until september and the doors are open a fair bit during the day

The stock comes from a variety of places, sampling rockpools and bays around the Country from Donegal to Dingle. Crustaceans such as the squat lobsters mainly from the fishermen in Howth, Gilthead bream from the aquarium in Dingle and Lobsters from the pot.

Because Ireland is situated bang in the middle of the cold arctic waters and the warmer waters of the South, we tend to get a great mix of species many of which can withstand a large temperature range as long as the water quality is good.


on the feeding front, the clingfish are mainly fed on frozen bloodworm and octopus or squid daily. at present they are feeding on the larvae of the sand shrimp which are all berried with eggs. The Bluemouth and lobsters get fresh razor clam meat and frozen octopus and squid two or three times a week. the Gilthead bream are mental, you cant keep throwing enough food into them, salmon crumb, shellfish, green crabs etc, they feed like piranhas and tear the food to bits as they frenzy in the tank.

I have been keeping native marines for about 7 years now and lobsters have been the only problem animal as they destroy everything and chop through the cables of the powerheads and inlet pipes for the filters.

no other problems so far and i have kept about 35-40 species now from octopus, squid, deepwater crayfish to the Bluemouth, turbot and other flats to the shannys.

Turbot would be my favourite fish as they are deadly to watch feed and the clingfish.

dunno what else to say except the most important thing for me is the multi probe unit that i have which measures everything from temp, DO and salinity.


I will see if i can dig out some of the other photos over the next few days.

Dec
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12 May 2013 23:54 #11 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
another shot of the bluemouth
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12 May 2013 23:55 #12 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
little lobster
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12 May 2013 23:57 #13 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
female clingfish waiting for a feed
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13 May 2013 09:53 #14 by cichliddave (dave coughlan)
if we have tank heaters,surely somewer out there ther is aquarium coolers which wud help u alot

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13 May 2013 17:39 #15 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Superb pictures...thanks for sharing. I scuba dived for many years,and the difference in the fish I saw when I had the lamp with me was amazing from how you see them otherwise.
Lovely sheen on so many fish in the Irish waters. Its great to see a native set up looking so well. Do you find it take a while for them to come out or are they very shy initially?

Gavin

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13 May 2013 19:34 #16 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
Usually it's about 3 days and a young wild turbot will be grabbing food out of your hand. Blennies take about five minutes and they will bite you whether or not there is food

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14 May 2013 23:10 #17 by Tropicalhobbie (tung vu)
wow amazing photo i would love to see a dragonet fish .
just wondering it it cost alot to set up a native marine tank as i all found sea scorpion fish at malahide
beach but dont have a salt water tank to keep them.

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15 May 2013 01:12 #18 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
it costs about the same as a tropical setup but I go oversize with the skimmers and the external canisters so it depends.

Malahide can be great during the summer. I have had about thirteen different species from the beach with turbot and brill from May onwards. the highwater can also produce some fantastic three spined stickleback which are fully armoured and pure silver.

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15 May 2013 01:16 - 15 May 2013 01:18 #19 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
some shannies

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15 May 2013 01:21 - 15 May 2013 01:22 #20 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
a few old shots of a velvet crab, a squat lobster and some small crabs




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15 May 2013 12:31 #21 by Homer (Kevin)
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Fab stuff!! Great Photos!!

H.

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15 May 2013 13:53 #22 by JohnH (John)
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This really is inspiring stuff - thanks so much for sharing all this with us.

I'm only sad that I live so far from the Sea to collect water, my only option would be to have to buy salt which would make the whole thing just too costly!

More pictures requested.

John

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15 May 2013 15:43 #23 by Melander (Andreas Melander)
Brilliant thread, thanks for sharing. It's really nice to see these underrated native animals in a way which shows their colour and beauty, compared to the fish-market.

Do you study marine life for a living?

Melander

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15 May 2013 16:59 #24 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
Among many other things to do with the marine, studying and reporting on the unusual fish species is what I like best

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15 May 2013 22:32 #25 by blade (Michael G)
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Amazing Photos, thanks for sharing them.
Michael

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15 May 2013 22:59 #26 by sincgar (Feargal Costello)
some super photos and great information. Ever try keeping any of the anemonae or other stuff that grows in the rock pools. seen some fab green/purple combinations near Balbriggan and some were exposed at low tide so must be really tough and hardy.

Those cling fish look prehistoric. the big pic looks more like a little lizard or dragon than a fish

Keep the pics and info coming. Take it you have none in the house or you would need a chiller.

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16 May 2013 08:38 #27 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
I have a few anemones and a plumose, and its cool to see them fighting for space on a rock. Can be a bit difficult to remove them but a handy trick is to place them in water for a short while with is unsuitable and they pop off themselves and look to move off to somewhere healthy.

I keep all the stuff in the garage as the house gets too warm and with thirty tanks I can't afford anymore mental electricity bills. The beach just north of the harbour in the night time can be a great place for collecting a load of flatfish as are the trawlers for a few small spider like crabs.

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02 Aug 2013 23:35 #28 by Bullfrog (DECLAN MAC GABHANN)
Some of the first baby cutlets hatching

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02 Aug 2013 23:41 #29 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
Great to see that other members keep native marines.
Keep an eye out for some new posts on the subject from West Cork too.

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06 Aug 2013 22:35 #30 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
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Great stuff thanks for sharing and well done

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