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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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26 Jul 2010 23:47 #1 by kevin fish (kevin fish)
Arowana dancing was created by kevin fish (kevin fish)

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26 Jul 2010 23:53 #2 by JohnH (John)
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They certainly are powerful Fish.
I have always liked Arowanas but would never have suitable accommodation for them!
I saw someone in England is selling Arapaimas. How on earth could one of those be kept?
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27 Jul 2010 00:02 #3 by dar (darren curry)
ah i see you lost the divider, they look excited to be reunited

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27 Jul 2010 00:09 #4 by dyco619 (steve carmody)
JohnH wrote:

They certainly are powerful Fish.
I have always liked Arowanas but would never have suitable accommodation for them!
I saw someone in England is selling Arapaimas. How on earth could one of those be kept?
John


Arapaimas??? are you serious? that is about as irresponsible as you can get!!even tho they are one of my favourite fish. there was a great episode of river monsters about them. beautiful fish but not for a home aquarium..

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27 Jul 2010 00:32 #5 by JohnH (John)
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Not even if you had an indoor lake!!!
They are considered to be the largest Freshwater Fish in the world, although this is debatable.
Selling them for any sort of captive environment is totally and utterly irresponsible! I could not believe that they could ever be allowed to be imported - what sort of ammunition would that provide the anti-Fishkeeping, sandal-wearing*, tree-hugging vocal minority with should they find out???

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27 Jul 2010 00:55 #6 by fishmad1234 (Craig Coyle)
a great programme for arapaimas its called rivers of the sun actually its just a great series on amazonion fish in general but shows how the arapaimas breed and raise there young very intresting.they can jump some distance for such a big fish

at the end of the day it becomes nite

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27 Jul 2010 10:18 - 27 Jul 2010 10:18 #7 by wolfsburg (wolfsburg)
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Fair play Mr. Kevin Fish! Look like far better conditions for the fish than the last video. They would thank you for it! Did you move the other fish to another tank or did you sell/ give them away?
Do the arowana generally get on?
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27 Jul 2010 11:32 #8 by Gavin (Gavin)
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no they don't. you should only ever keep one.They are not "dancing" that is agressive behavior toward each other.

dont make me come over there.

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27 Jul 2010 13:12 #9 by Ian (Anthony Ramirez)
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no they don't. you should only ever keep one.They are not "dancing" that is agressive behavior toward each other.


Like Gavin said for Asians its not recommended to keep 2 or even 3 in a tank unless they grew together as fries. Otherwise juveniles can be placed in a comm at least 5 above in a spacious tank. I've seen the less aggressive silvers with 2 in a tank but not Asians.

Fishkeeping CV: Co-founded, 1st President of the only surviving Fishkeeping Club (Accredited by Dept. of Fisheries) in the Philippines (mypalhs.com). I have mostly reared tropicals - Arowanas and monster fishes. My oldest arowana is 13years old (died in a tropical storm). Ive since reared a Black,...

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27 Jul 2010 14:04 #10 by Gavin (Gavin)
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just had another look at that...you can see where the fins on the red one have been damaged.It's stressed to bits so it is.

dont make me come over there.

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27 Jul 2010 14:20 #11 by Ma (mm mm)
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JohnH wrote:

what sort of ammunition would that provide the anti-Fishkeeping, sandal-wearing*, tree-hugging vocal minority with should they find out???



I think you just told them:) ITFS comes up a lot in fish searches.

Kevin, are you looking for that 6 foot tank to seperate these fish?

Mark

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27 Jul 2010 23:27 #12 by kevin fish (kevin fish)
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Finally here is few expert of the Aisa Arowana Gavin and Ian:laugh:

Mark am looking for a 6ft tank to put 7 Aisa Arowana together so that will be a Challenging .B)

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27 Jul 2010 23:35 #13 by Ma (mm mm)
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Good luck with the project matey, frightening to think what you'd be up to if you had the apace for more.


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27 Jul 2010 23:43 #14 by dar (darren curry)
kevin fish wrote:

Finally here is few expert of the Aisa Arowana Gavin and Ian:laugh:

Mark am looking for a 6ft tank to put 7 Aisa Arowana together so that will be a Challenging .B)


would 6foot cubed be even enough to house 7?

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28 Jul 2010 00:35 #15 by JohnH (John)
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Seven Arowana in a six-foot tank?
I think Dar is right - actually unsure that a six-foot cube would be big enough.

Kevin, have you considered building an indoor tropical pond?

Here's a seven-foot tank:

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,34/id,76964/

And the glass to build an eight foot one (with steel stand)

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,34/id,76967/

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28 Jul 2010 07:54 #16 by 2poc (2poc)
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A 6 foot tank is the minimum size to house one Asian Arowana for life. Putting 7 in a 6 foot tank would not be a good idea.

Kevin, I'd recommend you buy the Aqualog book on Asian Arowana.
I have an Asian Arowana and 6 foot tank on order at the moment & have been researching/interested in them for years prior to placing the order.

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28 Jul 2010 08:14 #17 by Gavin (Gavin)
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kevin fish wrote:

Finally here is few expert of the Aisa Arowana Gavin and Ian:laugh:

Mark am looking for a 6ft tank to put 7 Aisa Arowana together so that will be a Challenging .B)


:huh: ?

dont make me come over there.

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28 Jul 2010 12:28 #18 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I assume " dancing " is an euphemism for kicking the crap out of each other?

I don't think it's a bigger Tank you are looking for, it's a Fighting Ring, just my opinion but I think it's totally unfair, in the wild, the loser of a fight would have miles of River to run to, in the confines of a Tank it will be just stressed into bad health if not killed.

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28 Jul 2010 12:50 - 28 Jul 2010 12:50 #19 by Ma (mm mm)
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As of yet I jave not seen a suitable home aquarium for 1 Arrowana adult on here as it would need to be huge, they way they swim with several feet or clear space above for their jumping, 6 foot is not enough for one full grown or 8 or 10 foot wen you boil it down, we are all guilty of not quite suitable size tanks for many species, I don't think even my 450 is enough for my Panaque, but needs must.

The adding of more that one and the resulting aggression is a different matter entirely that hopefully Kevin can resolve soon.

7 is way too many for one tank, even if they didn't fight, unless its 20,000 litres

John, an indoor tropical pond would be the humane option, a few thoudand litres.


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28 Jul 2010 12:57 #20 by stretnik (stretnik)
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But to make such an ambiguous remark re a bigger Tank for seven Arowanas, how does that even begin to show that correct provisions are going to be made by the Poster to house that many correctly?

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28 Jul 2010 13:11 #21 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Mark. wrote:

As of yet I jave not seen a suitable home aquarium for 1 Arrowana adult on here as it would need to be huge, they way they swim with several feet or clear space above for their jumping, 6 foot is not enough for one full grown or 8 or 10 foot wen you boil it down, we are all guilty of not quite suitable size tanks for many species, I don't think even my 450 is enough for my Panaque, but needs must.


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Here a few links of some great Arrow setups posted here by a forum member a few months back. A 450 is more than enough for the Panaque bro. They max out at 15", probably less in most home aquariums.

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,61/id,63220/

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,61/id,65440/

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,61/id,63220/

This guy knows his stuff on Asians.

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28 Jul 2010 13:14 - 28 Jul 2010 13:15 #22 by Ma (mm mm)
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If you dont get it it does not mean it is ambiguous if referring to my comment. My point was that even if you had a non aggressive species, a 6 foot tank is far too small as said a few times. Kevin has some aggression going on and can see first hand the impact of such a setup. If they start tearing at each other I would think Kevin would take action.

From that the thread poster can gleam that he will have to seperate em or the fish and his hobby may possibly suffer as a result, I say "may" because I cannot state fact as I am no expert.

If you're gona post, try make it constructive please and not just jump on anothers post thx


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28 Jul 2010 13:18 #23 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Pretty sure that wasnt aimed at you bro :dry: :dry: .

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28 Jul 2010 13:21 - 28 Jul 2010 13:24 #24 by Ma (mm mm)
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If it is the case I apologise Kev, it preceded? duh, followed mine so I assumed incorrectly. Steady on Mark, relax.
I'll pop over Kev so you can give me a slap.


Some no ITFS related stress bleedin through there, sorry all.


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28 Jul 2010 13:28 #25 by stretnik (stretnik)
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No Jay, you are correct my ref in it's totality was to the original Poster.

I am referring to already having two Fish that by their behavior AND the signs that they have already kicked Bells out of each other evidenced by the Torn Tail on one of them.

Now, if these are doing that in a Tank with two, what will it be like in a Tank with 7? And where the heck does the challenge come in?

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28 Jul 2010 13:40 - 28 Jul 2010 13:40 #26 by dar (darren curry)
Kev, i think the challenge would be to keep the water in good nick

and wat a challenge

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28 Jul 2010 13:42 #27 by stretnik (stretnik)
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:laugh: :laugh: Good point.

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28 Jul 2010 14:03 - 28 Jul 2010 14:10 #28 by Ma (mm mm)
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Viperbot wrote:

Mark. wrote:

As of yet I jave not seen a suitable home aquarium for 1 Arrowana adult on here as it would need to be huge, they way they swim with several feet or clear space above for their jumping, 6 foot is not enough for one full grown or 8 or 10 foot wen you boil it down, we are all guilty of not quite suitable size tanks for many species, I don't think even my 450 is enough for my Panaque, but needs must.


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Here a few links of some great Arrow setups posted here by a forum member a few months back. A 450 is more than enough for the Panaque bro. They max out at 15", probably less in most home aquariums.

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,61/id,63220/

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,61/id,65440/

www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,61/id,63220/

This guy knows his stuff on Asians.

Jay



have seen some of these, very impressive indeed, still not big enough imo for a fish of that type.
But what do I know:) I am not an arrowana expert, but a swimmer of such should be able to open up as it were. A bit of excercise, or do fish not need this to remain healthy being such great swimmers? I am asking, as I do not know.

I concede the point to a higher knowledge:)

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28 Jul 2010 14:18 - 28 Jul 2010 14:19 #29 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
In general, a fish should be able to swim at top speed in its tank. Obviously not all the time but should have enough room for sudden bursts of speed without hopping off the glass. Some fish like Bala Sharks and Silverdollars do this anyway. Its not a rule per say, but its a good rule of thumb to try to provide them with a tank they can do so in. I provided the links above to show that given enough care, fish this size can thrive in a less than ideal tank. That said, there are many species of Arrowana around the world, and some are a lot larger than others. Unfortnately, some of the more reasonably sized species are very expensive, mostly down to them being absolute cracking fish with great colours.

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28 Jul 2010 16:46 #30 by Ma (mm mm)
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Get you, and I can see, especially in the links you posted some are extremely well kept, I just feel they can't quite spread their legs and wonder if an Arrowana has ever reached full speed in a home aquarium, no idea how large it would need ot be, swim speed, not escape bursts if startled which would be slower I guess. I have More questions but I'll browse through here first. Cheers.

Never seen a Clown Loach at full whack either, seen em move about plants like humming birds when I had plants in before the Rusty gang ate the whole lot. Even 10 feet seems small to me when those dart about.


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