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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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26 Apr 2011 16:21 #1 by joey (joe watson)
perch was created by joey (joe watson)
spent the weekend grafting down at mothers place in clare, and yesterday spent an afternoon fishing off a habour wall on lough derg. after a few hours of nothing i decided to cast towards some reeds with a wire trace & twin treble hooks loaded with worms. within a matter of seconds i landed a foot long perch, and shortly after my step-son landed 3 more in quick succession (jammy git!)

got home to portlaoise today and slung them on the bbq - not bad really and chuffed with my first noteable catch, and first fish on the new rod!

just thought i'd share.

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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28 Apr 2011 18:26 - 28 Apr 2011 18:29 #2 by dar (darren curry)
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and shortly after my step-son landed 3 more in quick succession (jammy git!)


nothing a slight turn with an extended elbow wouldn't sort out, hopefully he can swim but sure if he can't it will just add extra fear into his eyes for 10 seconds before you pull him out, ah child abuse is not the way to go just throw a splash of salt water on his line and let it dry out for a few days in the sun before the next trip that should ruin it for him and you can just say "son you either have it or you dont mwah ha ha ha"

congrats joey, did you take a pic?

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28 Apr 2011 22:18 #3 by joey (joe watson)
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ha ha not bad idea dar...

no didn't take a pic, i'm a but dopey like that. sure when you move to clare gimme a shout a few of us will head down and cruise around for a good fishing spot together

one thing i noticed about the perch (well, in the 2 times i've been out fishing and they were all that took the bait) is they seem to be caught easily enough at evening time (all 4 caught within 30 mins around 7.30pm) and the same is true for the perch on the grand canal around monasterevin - a few biters after 7pm

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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28 Apr 2011 22:20 #4 by David (David)
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A foot long Perch so that would have to be a couple of pounds in weights a really nice big fish and you took it home to cook it.

And we wonder why coarse fishing declined so quickly in this country

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28 Apr 2011 22:26 #5 by joey (joe watson)
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aye i dont have scales and didn't think to measure them, just gutted and bbq'd them. the step-son's catches were barely shorter than mine but my lad had a slightly deeper body. chuffed as porcine in faeces

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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28 Apr 2011 23:28 #6 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
get yourselves to O'Briens Bridge then, i've caught perch to 3lb, roach and rudd to roughly the same, also caught bream to 8lb and tench to 5lb and if you like pike got some up to 20lb there but lost bigger ones :(

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03 May 2011 21:39 #7 by fourmations (NIall SMyth)
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got home to portlaoise today and slung them on the bbq - not bad really and chuffed with my first noteable catch, and first fish on the new rod!

just thought i'd share.


hi

this countries fish stocks have taken a hammering from the influx of foreign nationals
who keep all the fish they catch regardless of size,

if you kept one more fish you would have been breaking the law
there are great strides happening to ban the keeping of any coarse fish
please think again about keeping these fish

PS, if you are seen keeping fish by staunch anglers
you could end up going for a swim yourself!
(some lads take it very seriously)

sheag, with all due respect, please don't tip off guys on hotspots
when they are likely to take the fish for the table,


thanks

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04 May 2011 12:12 #8 by joey (joe watson)
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hold on before you start taking a dig at me. i did nothing illegal. i'd rather eat a belly full of line caught freshwater fish than a bite of sea fish anyday. watch the documentaries - hugh's fish fight for one

so you are hoping any people new to angling stay well away from any good fishing spots for what? in the hope they give up fishing all together? very nice. would you have the same attitude to fishkeeping? the fact that some countries rape the waters of fish stpocks purely for our enjoyment? hell of a way to support pasttimes and people taking up new hobbies

oh and that comment about foriegn nationals - how racist. i know of more irish that would plunder the waters, keep any catch and poach the most fish from controlled waters. "foriegn nationals" that i do know (and believe me its alot more than some irish i care to know, my wife is latvian after all) whom fish themselves actually show alot more respect for the waters - all of them fish with permits, most catch and release and only the specimine sizes are kept for the table. think before you judge

Location: Portlaoise, Midlands

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04 May 2011 12:48 #9 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
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A foot long perch is rare enough, anything over 2.5lbs is regarded as a specimen, pity you had no scales

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04 May 2011 12:58 #10 by David (David)
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i personally think its a shame that our coarse fishing waters have been cleaned of any good stock however i do not think its because of the influx of foreign nationals the irish waters were in demise well before the boom,

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04 May 2011 14:21 - 04 May 2011 14:22 #11 by fourmations (NIall SMyth)
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hold on before you start taking a dig at me. i did nothing illegal. i'd rather eat a belly full of line caught freshwater fish than a bite of sea fish anyday. watch the documentaries - hugh's fish fight for one

as long as "bellyfull" constitutes a maximum of 4 fish less than 50cm long it not illegal,
i'm talking angling here not the politics of commercial fishing, the only way to right the wrongs in the food industry is to go veggie IMO


so you are hoping any people new to angling stay well away from any good fishing spots for what? in the hope they give up fishing all together? very nice. would you have the same attitude to fishkeeping? the fact that some countries rape the waters of fish stpocks purely for our enjoyment? hell of a way to support pasttimes and people taking up new hobbies

yes, i am hoping they will stay away if they intend to keep the fish, i have no issue with people
angling, the more the better for the sport, i would have the same attitude to fishkeeping if people
didn't do it right, we spend out lives asking poeple not to keep plecs in a 30l tank, i spend my life asking people not to keep fish when angling, are plecs in a tiny tank illegal? no, does that make it right? no


oh and that comment about foriegn nationals - how racist. i know of more irish that would plunder the waters, keep any catch and poach the most fish from controlled waters. "foriegn nationals" that i do know (and believe me its alot more than some irish i care to know, my wife is latvian after all) whom fish themselves actually show alot more respect for the waters - all of them fish with permits, most catch and release and only the specimine sizes are kept for the table. think before you judge


its not racist (and nor am i, i know many foreign nationals that fish properly) the facts are
there, pillaging of our waters, netting, long lines, mass poaching for smoked fish, read up on it, see the court cases, are they irish, no! do the majority of irish people eat coarse fish as part of their staple diet, No, do eastern europeans, yes. Keeping coarse fish specimens is illegal btw if they are over 50cm so tell your friends that please,

Dont get me started on the rubbish, beer cans and BBQ's left behind on the banks either, sure irish lads do it too but i have seen first hand that the majority are foreign nationals, there are no english anglers coming here anymore due to the state of the banks and the haords of aggresive lads drinking on the banks and being threatening, Im not blind that irish lads do all this sh*t too but i think you are being blind if you cant accept that the majority are foreign nationals, there have been several waterkeepers assaulted recently
by foreign national "anglers" not something i have ever heard of with Irish anglers,

i have no issue with you angling and hope you enjoy it but i would still ask you not the keep the fish.
The same way you would encourage someone to start fishkeeping but would ask them not to keep goldfish
in a bowl,


cheers
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04 May 2011 15:01 #12 by dar (darren curry)
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well that's my angling section in the shit, four that is discrimination you cant tar them all with that brush, well not on a public forum.

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04 May 2011 15:04 #13 by David (David)
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At the risk of this topic straying completly of track

Irish waters have been in the S**t for a very long time and simply they are not monitored or controlled for this you can not lay blame on any nationality i have fished in this country for over 16Years and never once seen a water bailiff.

The English dont come hear anymore for this very reason not because of the people they might meet on a fishing bank.

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04 May 2011 15:24 #14 by fourmations (NIall SMyth)
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well that's my angling section in the shit, four that is discrimination you cant tar them all with that brush, well not on a public forum.


hi dar

i didnt tar anyone with the same brush!!
i mentioned knowing many decent foreign national anglers from the start of my post
I mentioned many irish lads acting the arse
and stated I am not racist but the facts are there in the court cases

i am not out to marr this forum, far from it
i have been contributing to this site for years
its just that angling is my no.1 passion and i have views, no more than that

to use the fishkeeping analogy once more.....
if someone was to post a thread saying i have plecs in a bowl and its all cool
and there is nothing wrong with it etc etc there would be murder!!
and they would be jumped on from a height,
i am into angling and have an opinion on keeping fish for the table
so i should be allowed discuss it on an angling forum
the same way as people can voice opinions on fishkeeping

mods, feel free to remove my posts but to me its pointless
there is no libel or racism in my posts, only facts and intelligent debate
i can post proof of my claims if it makes anyone happy

i am actively into angling and these issue are not "in my head" by any stretch

all the best

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04 May 2011 15:30 - 04 May 2011 15:33 #15 by fourmations (NIall SMyth)
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At the risk of this topic straying completly of track

Irish waters have been in the S**t for a very long time and simply they are not monitored or controlled for this you can not lay blame on any nationality i have fished in this country for over 16Years and never once seen a water bailiff.

The English dont come hear anymore for this very reason not because of the people they might meet on a fishing bank.


hi david

indeed there has been a decline in angling, no doubt
dues to many environmental factors

the bailiff issue is what it is, there is no money for employing them!
it actually cost lads money and a day in court to become waterkeepers

there is a 20 page thread on the most active angling site in the uk
about the irish situation and many cite the fact that their once beloved waters
are now in sh*t with rubbish and antisocial behavior

again i'll say, im not a sh*tstirrer, i have been here for years
the facts speak for themselves

im happy to debate this issue intelligently or let it lie, whatever people want,
but please dont suggest I am a racist or talking rubbish,
I know a lot about whats going on in angling and can back it all up

all the best

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04 May 2011 16:23 #16 by JohnH (John)
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A very emotive subject - one very close to my heart as well, having been visiting Ireland to Fish since a schoolboy.

That Angling - not only in Ireland - had declined in recent decades is beyond doubt. But it's not merely the recent influx of Eastern Europeans who can be blamed for this - the damage was started decades ago.
Water abstraction, pollution and the removal of Fish have all taken their toll.
That we see immigrants taking everything they catch away in their dustbin bags is very handy because it gives us all a new 'source' to pin the blame on.
Believe me, on my first visit here many, many years ago I was astounded when a local Co Cavan farmer came down to us at Lough Gowna with a wheelbarrow to collect all the bream in our keepnets - to feed to his pigs!
Needless to say he didn't get any from us!
During the war years meat was very difficult to come by here and fish made up the largest proportion of Irish country-folks' meals (probably townspeople's as well).
What I'm trying to portray is that taking of fish is not a modern phenomenon.

In the seventies we had a lot of (much closer than Eastern) Europeans coming over killing and taking away huge amounts of Pike - enough to almost make them an endangered species. This included netting them and leaving out night lines as well.
Luckily the decline they actually created was what often deterred them from coming again - as the Pike became scarcer it meant they had to search elsewhere for their 'prizes'.

Very little in the way of regulation was ever enforced then - just as it isn't now so turning the 'blind eye' became very much the way it was - and still is.

That English anglers don't come now is more due to the deterioration in both the quality of the fishing but to this can be added the consideration that (apart from in rivers) the English 'Close Season' for coarse fish was removed...our large motivation to come to Ireland every year was to be able to fish for two or three weeks of the three-month ban of fishing in England...that has gone now so many UK anglers don't have that same need.
Now, I'm not suggesting this is a prime reason why UK anglers stay away now - but it is contributory.

We look around for reasons for the current decline in fishing quality in our lakes and rivers - see the Eastern Europeans taking away everything ("NO PRISONERS") and pin the reasons onto them, once again - they are only adding to the demise!

But, if the quality of the fishing was not so comparatively poor now the loss could pass unnoticed, that it doesn't is testimony to how badly our fishing has been permitted to decline.

To the litter problem.
I see this almost every time I go fishing, but believe me it hurts to have to admit that litter from visiting anglers goes back long before the influx of the 'new' immigrants - I hate to think how much rubbish I have collected down the years from English anglers as well!

We have a goodly few Eastern European members here - it would be good to hear things from their perspective as well?

John

Location:
N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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04 May 2011 17:30 #17 by David (David)
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In relation to the rubbish over recent years i have noticed there seems to be a trend where you cant go fishing unless you have a cooler of beer to help pass the time.

Paddys lake in O Brians used to be a great fisherie i pulled nets of tench bream and perch from there i even cought my first Carp in that lake and almost over night it all dissapered,

There have been numerous rumers as to what happened but no one knows for sure,

Cheers

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04 May 2011 20:13 #18 by dar (darren curry)
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i doubt the foreign lads are responsible for the trollies for sale signs and everything of the like that tangles my line, yeah i have noticed empty bottles (one was full and you better beleive i drank it) but that could of been anyone. i have spoken to a lot of anglers and everyone blames them, the dodder is stocked before paddys day and come april there is very little happening. just out of curiosity could the garda do anything about it or is it totally for the water chief to deal with?

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