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Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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09 Feb 2013 14:00 #1
by theangryman (chris)
Hello everyone
Going back to work in the next few days so the young goldies had to back in the pond, these were removed from the pond sometime in November, just a short vid to show the growth over the couple of months
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09 Feb 2013 15:15 #2
by JohnH (John)
Are they in the pond now Chris?
You're a bit luckier down South than I am here in the North Midlands with the less-severe winters.
I have some young Koi in a 'room temperature' tank in the kitchen which have doubled in size but I daren't try putting them outside yet - it's freezing out there.
I hope your returnees go from strength to strength, keep us informed when you're able to.
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09 Feb 2013 15:39 #3
by theangryman (chris)
Thanks John
I put the fish in last night about 930, had them floating in the pond all afternoon and evening, funny thing was when I got home and went to empty them into the pond there were at least 9/10 youngsters visible on top of the water, just happy in the darkness, saw the older fish as well.
I`d say the pond has only had a light covering of ice about twice this winter so I suppose we are lucky down south
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09 Feb 2013 19:55 - 09 Feb 2013 19:56 #4
by theangryman (chris)
If you want to see the fish when I took them from the pond they are in this vid
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09 Feb 2013 21:18 #5
by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
My parents have a pond with Koi and gold fish in it...
They're are about 10 of them in it from 8 - 11 inches each!
They stay in the pond all year long but hide at the bottom of the pond all winter!
When they where first put in there they where less than 2.5 inches long each and are now 5 years old
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09 Feb 2013 22:08 #6
by JohnH (John)
Mine stay in the pond year-round, it's just that I bought these two little ones at the beginning of winter and they were too small to put straight out there - that's why they're in the tank until spring, they wouldn't have survived the winter as they were, I'm sure.
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09 Feb 2013 22:44 #7
by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
What I was supposed to ask and kinda forgot too in my previous post was, can fish only stay in a pond of a certain depth all year round or do shallower ponds need emptied of fish during the winter?
I want to research above ground ponds with glass fronts for a future build......
Also is a flow rate of 2x capacity per hour sufficient to prevent the surface freezing?
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09 Feb 2013 22:56 #8
by JohnH (John)
I thought there was more to come from your previous post alright.
I seem to recall 3ft being the minimum recommended depth for a pond, but this was based on the fact that water shouldn't freeze to a greater depth than that, no matter how severe the winter became.
We had a pretty bad winter in 2010 and my pond didn't have much more than 8" thickness of ice on it.
But, and this is significant, it is totally below-ground. I am sure that an above-ground pond would be more inclined to freeze - not only more deeply, but also from all sides which are at the mercy of being surrounded by the cold air.
I don't know about suitable water turnover rates (in winter) for the task you have in mind, perhaps someone can help us here.
But in my pond I find the vicinity of where the water is returned to is the only part which remains unfrozen.
Hope that can help shed some light on your queries.
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09 Feb 2013 23:43 #9
by theangryman (chris)
The pond in the video is about 900mm at it`s deepest part and maybe 300mm at it`s most shallow. I tend to turn off the filter (DIY of course)when the winter arrives and turn it back on in the spring, but to keep some water change going I have a hose coming from the drain pipe of the conservatory into the pond, so all rain water from the roof goes into the pond.As John says it must be safer to have the pond at ground level, my pond is south facing and also has the wall along one side.Maybe to have the pond above ground level with a lot of insulation material would do the trick.But to be honest, I think these fish are a lot hardier than most give them credit for
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10 Feb 2013 00:36 #10
by JohnH (John)
You're right there - for sure, although some of the 'fancy' goldfish are a bit more delicate. The worry is if the water freezes solid then nothing would stand much of a chance.
But, I'm old enough to remember the most severe winter in most people's living memory. In 1961/2 in England water froze to an extent that it would hold even my weight on some ponds where we used to fish there, but very few fish died as they just were able to descend below the ice level.
Someone like IGM could explain this better, but very basically warmer water rises to the surface until it goes below a certain temperature - after which it sinks and the coldest water then goes to the surface to become ice. There is a scientific name for this, but don't ask me what it is - I bet Ian will know, though. Nature is pretty good at sorting these things out you know.
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10 Feb 2013 10:14 #11
by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Thank you gentlemen
Your experience is greatly appreciated...
I reckon id insulate the sides of the pond having both a section dug into the garden by a foot or two plus the built up area (probably 3 and 1/2 ft high)
The weakest point for frost being the top and the glass face, but the glass face could be covered up in the winter for insulation purposes and if there was a lean too roof above the pond this should help to stop the surface freezing too
Some experimentation will be required i think.....
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10 Feb 2013 13:40 #12
by theangryman (chris)
Hammie
One thing you could try, depending on how much effort,time and money you feel like putting into this pond, would be a frost stat with one or two aquarium heaters in the pond, this way the heaters will not be on all the time but only on the very cold nights, a small amount of heat in the water will be enough to stop it from freezing.Frost stats are often used on the boiler of your central heating to stop your pipes freezing when the outside temp reaches zero, a small bit of customization would have it doing the same for your pond.
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Chris
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10 Feb 2013 17:35 #13
by hammie (Neil Hammerton)
Good idea, wasn't sure weather even big aquarium heaters would be enough!
Thanks for all the advise and information
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