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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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22 Mar 2007 05:21 #1 by zale (Mark carroll)
This little fella died this morning and I don't know why?

From the pic you can see the blue no top was very grey and the red very faded, puzzling bit is all the rest are fine, is it death by bullying I wonder.

Oh thats not white spot on him just grains of sand.

Any Ideas?



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22 Mar 2007 06:23 #2 by monty (monty)
Hi Zale,

First thing is your what are you water parameters. These are needed to help provide advise.

How long is the tank going and how long have you had him ? What else is in the tank.

Monty

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22 Mar 2007 07:06 #3 by Peter OB (Peter O'Brien)
Sometimes fish just die, especially small tetras, doesn't look like he was being nipped at or anything. If he was being kept at high temps it will reduce his life expectancy.

I'd imagine he lost a lot of colour after he died.

A lot of fishkeepers panic, do big water changes, start dosing the tank with all sorts of chemicals etc when a fish dies.

Personally, i wouldn't look too much into it.

Smoke me a Kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast.

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22 Mar 2007 07:36 #4 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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Neons are really annual fish in the wild and live for about 2 years in aquariums. I can't see any infection such as neon disease. Keep an eye on the other fish and once they are fine, the death of that fish had natural causes and is not due to a pathogen. Fish like all other living organisms die at some stage.

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22 Mar 2007 07:41 #5 by Didihno (Didihno)
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I had nine neons die in two days a while back.

Of course, I also have a large Syno catfish......

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22 Mar 2007 07:54 #6 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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You mean, you are feeding life food?

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22 Mar 2007 08:25 #7 by Didihno (Didihno)
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I told her (the wife) that they'd get eaten...but no, she wanted her cute little neons.....

Oddly enough neon no. 10 is still alive and not a bother on him.

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22 Mar 2007 09:15 #8 by zale (Mark carroll)
sorry, yea I was a bit vague.

All parameters are spot on & temp, the tank is running about 2-3years

Theres the usual crap in the tank (I'm a cichlid man myself)

Guppies, swordtails, neons, redeye tetra, yoyo loaches, redtail shark & a big comm plec that hides in his cave.
I have the neons a couple of months

I'd imagine he lost a lot of colour after he died.


Funny enough he was that colour for a day or 2 then died, there seems to be another small neon turning the same grey?????


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22 Mar 2007 09:22 #9 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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How long are the neons in the tank?

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22 Mar 2007 09:26 #10 by monty (monty)
If it's not a water issue then I'd tend to suggest that it's one of these

1. Life
2. The Red tail shark. Depending on size they can bully smaller fish. Just watch out for it. I don't think it is the plec as you would not have found the body.

But you mention that another is starting to change colour. I'd doublecheck the water parms and see if anything is amiss - PH changes?. Not knowing your cleaning regime I'd suggest a clean of the gravel and a water change - nothing too drastic at this point until you can put your finger on the issue.

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22 Mar 2007 10:19 #11 by zale (Mark carroll)
My cleaning regime is OK, the wife thinks I'm mad spending most of my Saturdays cleaning fish tanks.

I've actually found the culprit, I really don't sit and watch this tank mostly watch my cichlids.
Right on the nose Monty it's the Red Tail shark. What now?

If I leave him in how many will I lose and if I stick him in with the mbuna, how long will he last?


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22 Mar 2007 10:23 #12 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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What size is it? I fear your mbunas might be in trouble rather than the other way round.

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22 Mar 2007 10:32 #13 by zale (Mark carroll)
:shock: :shock: :shock:
He's about 2" now. All the mbuna are about 3"-4". I didn't think that.


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22 Mar 2007 10:40 #14 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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that should be OK for a while. However, a red taled shark is not really suitable for any community tank. If it's small enough it will be eaten and if it's too big to be eaten it will get the crap beaten out of it.

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22 Mar 2007 10:50 #15 by zale (Mark carroll)
Will I peg him in with the cichlids so and keep a close eye on him


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22 Mar 2007 10:51 #16 by monty (monty)
I thought the red-tails could hold their own with larger fish. I'd expect that allowing for him to mix with the mbuna (and I'll allow others comment on the true compatibility in terms requirements ) you should be OK now, but I'd be concerned as it grows.

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22 Mar 2007 11:12 #17 by zale (Mark carroll)
Oh sweet Jesus thats a big NO NO the Red tail nearly got the s**t kicked out of him by my fuelleborni, back to the drawing board.


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22 Mar 2007 11:20 #18 by russell (russell)
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Neon Tetra disease!!!!!!!

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22 Mar 2007 11:28 #19 by Damian_Ireland (Damian_Ireland)
could be neon tetra disease... then again .. it could be anything..
if all the other fish are healthy then i would'nt get overly concerned about it

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22 Mar 2007 11:49 #20 by Anthony (Anthony)
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Its a bloody Neon.
Neons are usually very poor and the first to die anyway. If your other fish are ok then I would not worry.

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22 Mar 2007 13:20 #21 by zale (Mark carroll)
I'm not that worried,
the only resaon I got them was the wife hates my cichlids, she says apart from the colour cichlids all look like big gold fish (why i outta take de back of me hand to her :twisted: ) so we got a tank of different looking fish (midget fish)

Neon tetra disease, I'm presuming from the name it just affects neons.


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22 Mar 2007 14:10 #22 by russell (russell)
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I was only commenting on the Neon

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23 Mar 2007 04:38 #23 by Anthony (Anthony)
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Neon Tetra disease effectas all fish. It is called so because it was first noticed and documented in Neons.

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23 Mar 2007 05:02 #24 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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@ Anthony,
neon disease does not affect every fish. For example cardinals don't get it.

There is some confusion regarding neon disease for starters.
the real neon disease is caused by sporozoa of Pleistophora hyhessobryconis (the name says it all). It cannot be treated and all diseased fish should be culled.
Columnaris (also known as cotton-wool or saddle patch disease) is often mistakingly diagnosed as neon disease since one of the symptoms of both diseases are white blotches across the body. The pathogen is Flavobacterium columnare. It can be treated with Potassium Permanganate or you can get some anti bacterial medication.

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23 Mar 2007 05:11 #25 by Anthony (Anthony)
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It was alazy post by me and I should have said it effects most fish. Cichlids can get it. I did not know Cardinals were immune to it. Although very rare. Agree that all fish should culled.
Culumnaris is also known as saddle back disease. I found salt baths to be most effective. Only ever seen it in Discus.
Although My Mbuna did show small symptons when I used Nets and hoses from the effected tank in the Mmuna setup.
This was done puposely as an experiment and I suffered no loses.
An anti parasite for ponds was used once as a precaution and I found it to bee effective.
Too tired to go into detail but I promise a post tonight.

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23 Mar 2007 05:29 #26 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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@Anthony,
I might have taken a few too many against the head over the years but I cichlids don't suffer from neon disease. Only tetras and cyprinids suffer from it.

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23 Mar 2007 05:33 #27 by Anthony (Anthony)
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Does it not effect Angel fish.

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23 Mar 2007 05:45 #28 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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Nope.
I'm not entirely sure if they can carry the pathogen but they don't suffer from it

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23 Mar 2007 05:55 #29 by Anthony (Anthony)
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You know I am the first to slate the net but here is a link.
freshaquarium.about.com/cs/disease/p/neondisease.htm

not looking for anymore. :lol: :lol:

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23 Mar 2007 05:55 #30 by Sean (Fr. Jack)


Oh thats not white spot on him just grains of sand.

Any Ideas?

Thanks for letting us know its not white spot :twisted:

Do you think the fish is a bit emancipated (thin), too much competition for keener fish or not enough really fine small sinking food has past by in front of him over the last few weeks, as oppose to large floating flake that gobbled up in the surface area.

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!

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