Corals

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Fiji Elegans
Harder to keep . a good indicator of water quality. needs correct positioning. light and flow. as you can see this split into 2 heads. 2 for the price of one[/img]

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Clove Coral. easily to maintain will spread blue /green with silver veins[/img]

Maxima Clam again a good indicator of conditions . read up first before you buy. needs a good calcium intake

Hey Russell

Great looking corals. Just out of curiosity (and I've asked another member this before) how much light did you have to have in the tank to be able to keep the clam. Don't they have massive photorequirements?

Also you mentioned that clams require a high level of Ca in the water. I take it that this is for shell production?. As I mentioned before I know nothings of marines so I have yet another question! How do you regulate the level of Ca in the water or is it just a simple matter of buying a Ca reactor and letting it do the work for you?

n.b. Not sure photorequirement is a real word but I think you know what I mean!

Regards Denis[/i]

I am afraid that to have corals reproduce and to live well they do need plenty of light. but this again depends on what you want to keep.
Mushrooms are very easy to keep and multiply rapidly. they also have a fantastic range of colours. soft corals i.e Sinularia, clove ,waving hand and many more require moderate lighting and calcium levels are not so demanding. they are also fast growers & cutting can be taken relatively easy. Hard corals Stone corals clams etc ,are dependant on High calcium levels as they need this for skeletal growth. they are the ones that need high light levels such as a good bank of T5's or Metal halides. these are expensive to buy and more expensive to run.
Also The Placing of corals is also important. some like gentle flow some need heavy circulation. some like to be on the sand bed some prefer being under an overhang. others need to be near the surface
What you needed to look at is. what you want to keep and read up on them.
The web has volumes of info. why waste money and possible loss of the corals when there is no need.
The biggest factor is Mixing Corals & fish. something I dont recomend for a beginer/ novice. If you get a sick fish you can't treat it in tank, as the medications are Copper based which is a killer of corals.
So there is a lot to consider.
Soft corals & mushrooms no need for expensive eq't
Clams and stoney Corals . you will proboably need a Calcium reactor and or Kalwasser stirer. these are expensive . also the high light output.
I know some will say different. but horses for courses so to speak.

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Here is another one: Waving Hand
Rapid growing. delicate fronds, spread rapidly, reqires medium flow
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Test post seeing if the same text that gets blocked in the photo fakers forum get rejected here to, ref de bug.

Hi Russ
Great pics, but people also have to remember corals can be more aggressive than mobile inverts! or fish!! certain coral will wipeout ressive coral very fast with sweeper tenticles like stonys, n galaxia sp.!!!

Totaly Agree.
There are many factors to take into account. this is wher the Good retailer comes into his own.
By having a knowledge of compatible corals they can go a long way to helping someone establish there set up.
For instance the Frogspawn is very aggresive and has LONG sweeper tentacles are are capable of stinging corals 8 inches away.
I know you and your staff are extreemly knowledgable. but how many in the trade are not. and will sell what ever the unsuspecting customer want's.
With good sound advice from people like yourselves you will have customers returning. time and time again. perhaps then the unscruperlous ones will soon go out of buisiness.

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One of the hardest species to keep alive. also known as the Flower pot coral.[/img]

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Copperband with 3 headed leather[/img]

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A few more from the tank
Dead mans hand. once settled the white polyp's will appear[/img]

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Hydnophora with host poly'ps
Can be very aggresive if placed to close to other corals. This is at night under Actinic's[/img]

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Copperband with 3 headed leather[/img]

Russel sorry to be a thorn in the side, but a while ago some else pointed out that you had a Hawaiian Tang in you mainly invert tanks, and the guy said does the tang eat ever thing, and you said no problem. I did not bother to comment as its possible to keep them although not ideal it could work.

This picture is going too far, how could you post a picture of an invert tank with an copper banded butterfly in it?, every one including beginners knows an invert tank is a garden of eden of him, this fish is hard to keep for more than a couple of years in a fish only system UNLESS you make up a gel frozen mix and bind plaster paris into it when you take it out of the freezer the fish will pick at the plaster simulating eating a coral polyp's, I doubt he would bother to eat it in your tank but would thrive in your garden of eden tank with all that expensive live coral, its abit like Homer Simpson sleeping in the fridge.

They stop ads on kids TV before 9PM of chocolate bars to stop child obesity, yet a beginner taking the plunge from fresh water to marines can be tempted to keep copperbanded with coral those chocolate bar ads or on the marine ITFS forum all day. Last week I visited Seville a beautiful city I did the tourist tour of the bull ring to, never got to see a real bull just photos, I never thought I would get to see their feces in the ITFS forum.

WHOA !! I did not say at anytime I had an invert tank. I said I had a reef tank.( This means fish corals & inverts) Nor did I say I had a Hawian Tang , I said I had a Yellow Tang. entirely different.. Also Copperbands do not eat Polyp's or Corals, Somewhere along the line you have got your knickers in a twist,
If you like I will post a photo of all the corals and inhabitants and you can pick the bones out of that. so there you old grumps

Keep getting the Debug again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHOA !! I did not say at anytime I had an invert tank. I said I had a reef tank.( This means fish corals & inverts) Nor did I say I had a Hawian Tang , I said I had a Yellow Tang. entirely different.. Also Copperbands do not eat Polyp's or Corals,

A reef tank is a more modern word for a invert tank with some fish at not the same stocking density as a fish only system. What the difference, the fish will eat some of your inhabitants, how could you possible get way with re wording your tanks a a mix tank and not a invert only tank to justify now why the fish wont eat your inverts.

Its like saying a well known freshwater fish that eats plants all day long should not be kept in a mainly planted tank but is O.K in a comunity tanks with anther fish and some plants.

Is there any one in the forum that agrees you can keep butterflies with inverts?

Is there any links to any where outside this forum which agrees with keeping butterflies with inverts.

A reef tank is a more modern word for a invert tank with some fish at not the same stocking density as a fish only system. What the difference, the fish will eat some of your inhabitants, how could you possible get way with re wording your tanks a a mix tank and not a invert only tank to justify now why the fish wont eat your inverts.

Its like saying a well known freshwater fish that eats plants all day long should not be kept in a mainly planted tank but is O.K in a comunity tanks with anther fish and some plants.

Is there any one in the forum that agrees you can keep butterflies with inverts?

Is there any links to any where outside this forum which agrees with keeping butterflies with inverts.

I was told they were reef safe too, altough mine did nip at the feather dusters when I 1st put him in, I havent added much corals yet, should I bring him back or what?
From what I gathered The below sites say he should be OK

www.advancedaquarist.com/2005/9/lines

www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11_03/product...amp;root_parent_id=4

members.tripod.com/mark26/reef.html

Stay away from the Multi barred and the Potteri though, as they are very hard to keep. This includes the Flame, pygmy, flameback, bi-color, lemonpeel, coral beauty, and other small angelfish from that genus. The Muti-barred angel should be advoided though, and any Dwarf Angel is only mod. hardy. Many are collected with cyanide posioning--so make sure they are eating in the store first and are quarentined!! Other angels, larger ones, will usually eat your coral and shrimp up in no time. There are exceptions, but they can be hard or impossible to keep (i have seen the Majectic angel in a reef once for example, but they are very hard to keep (generally because of collection, see:
Delicate Fish Pages for more info.

Butterfly fish can be very hard to keep, and are always assumed to be not reef safe at all, but there are exceptions. While the Copperband is very hard to keep (see above link to Delicate Fish Pages), it is very good for a reef because it eats a little algae, eats bristleworms, and pest-aneomnes.


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This is always very debatable, in the above picture you see a flame angle
but the article you have linked to says you cant keep them in a reef suitable, it also goes on to say the copper banded is very delicate, which it is and probally live better in a reef tank as its go a more naturally food source?, (better for who fish or the inverts)the copper banded was sold with the set up, it the fish still alive? is the corals still as good as in the picture

www.irishfishkeepers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=854

WHOA !! I did not say at anytime I had an invert tank. I said I had a reef tank.( This means fish corals & inverts) Nor did I say I had a Hawian Tang , I said I had a Yellow Tang. entirely different.. Also Copperbands do not eat Polyp's or Corals,

russell
Oscar



Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: Tank

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You shouldn't add a copperband unless the tank has been running for 6 months min. then there should be plenty of live rock for it to pick off. do your reading first!!!!


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