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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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03 Sep 2009 14:52 #1 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Going a bit left field on this topic but hopefully with the amount of experience on water conditions somebody might be able to advise me.

Problem is limescale, must go thru 3 kettles a year and god knows what my heating system must look like. looking for a solution and came across this on the net

www.aquaeuro.com/eu/Details_eu.asp?ProductID=225

Does anyone know if this actually works or anyone ever used one???

And does it dislodge any limescale already built in pipes or will it just stop the build up of limescale from when you start using it??

Cheers

GB

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03 Sep 2009 15:16 #2 by Buster (Damien Byrne)
Replied by Buster (Damien Byrne) on topic Re:Limescale
GB,

There is a range of products available called fernox
DS-3 limescale remover (use on all appliances)
then to stop it building up again use either the following options
limescale preventer (Bag in a tank)
or
Quantomat scale preventer (on the mains coming into the house)

If you need any info on any of the let me know . The company I work for sells all this and they can be despatched anywhere in Ireland within 24hrs.

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03 Sep 2009 19:37 #3 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Replied by gerryberry (Jeff Daly) on topic Re:Limescale
Thanks for the info Buster, is there a website with any further info?

Talked to the boss (The wife):dry: :dry: and we are half thinking of getting a Water softner and a ro unit put in.Water softner for the limescale etc. and the Ro unit for drinking.

Currently have to buy bottle water to drink so on the Ro units i seen so far once it is in place it will be cheaper to run than buying the water. Also and more important it is the first step towards my saltwater fishtank;) ;)

Was looking at the sites below

water2buy.ie/reverse-osmosis-9/
www.aquaeuro.com/eu/products2_eu.asp?Cat...=72&SubcategoryID=63

Can anyone recommend any other places to look???
Or what are to critical specs to look at to compare differeny brands?

If these units go in what effect will this have on my current tanks
Will i have to remineralise the water
freshwater mbuna 240 litre

Sorrt for all the questions but just want to fully understand what effects these units will have on my tanks brfore i go any further.


Thanks again

GB
Fluval edge to be decided what fish to get

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03 Sep 2009 21:11 #4 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
Hi gerryberry,
if you fit an ro to the mains you will have to remineralise to get the water to the correct kh, dh and ph also you will have to add trace elements to it, so like a lot of work but really it isnt if you do it by the large bucket / water butt load and store it with some airstones running in it to prevent it going stagnent if you decide to store it. best of luck convincing the boss....
I'm the boss in my relationship and I've her permission to say so lol

Fishkeeping the Only way to get wet and wild

currently 25 tanks, and breeding is the aim of everything i keep
location:Limerick

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03 Sep 2009 23:12 #5 by Tom (Tom Brecknell)
Replied by Tom (Tom Brecknell) on topic Re:Limescale
Gerry,

I use a water softener at home that feeds the water into the attic water tank, then I have mains water going to the kitchen sink, I then have an RO Unit under the kitchen sink with its own 10 litre tank that feeds my RO Tap which I use to fill the kettle, make soft drinks etc. I haven’t needed to change any of the filters in 18 months as you are not using the 50/100US Gallons a day. Before I installed the RO Unit I was only getting 10 days out of a Brita filter.

This way you can still use the mains water for your tank if you desire. This is just the way I do it..........Tom.B)

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04 Sep 2009 06:43 #6 by Buster (Damien Byrne)
Replied by Buster (Damien Byrne) on topic Re:Limescale
Gerry

Here is the link to the DS-3 limescale remover

www.fernox.com/?cccpage=ds3&sub=8

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04 Sep 2009 07:18 #7 by cardinal (Lar Savage)
Replied by cardinal (Lar Savage) on topic Re:Limescale
Hi Gerry
We were in the same position as yourselves with lime scale so we installed a watersoftener into the the attic,we have to add bags of salt to it every couple of months and it solved all of the lime scale problems,this does seem to leave a very slight taste of brine in the tap water( I dont notice other family members do),so i imagine you would have to go a step futher like tom and put a RO unit in under the sink....In our case because of the way our house was built,all the water pipes coming into the house comes up through the center of the house and it would have meant ripping up floors and digging trenches to run extra pipes we didnt bother so we tend to also use bottled water just for drinking. I would say tho be carefull about who you buy this equipment from, get a lot of quotes my sister got a water softener in as well 6 months before we did and paid twice what we paid also we had a guy out to the house last year who put on a great show for us like a magician....:) ,turning tap water brown ect...to sell us what i now believe was an RO unit for a hell of a lot of money....;) I didn't buy one.....

homerepair.about.com/od/plumbingrepair/ss/water_softener.htm

pm me if you want any more info
Lar

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04 Sep 2009 16:07 #8 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Replied by gerryberry (Jeff Daly) on topic Re:Limescale
Buster
Thanks a million for the link, a bit to much work for me in draining the system etc. to get the product into the pipework but thanks again.

Sheag
Anyone who denies the women is the boss is in denial:blush: :blush: I AM THE BOSS
If you use the large bucket method with aeration you mentioned, does this sort out your ph, kh and dh???
Do i only have to add the trace elements then to do water changes??

Tom
Like the idea of leaving one tap on the mains, no matter what system i go for i think i will do this just as a backup.Is there any way of testing to see when the RO filters need changing??? Will a tds meter do this???

Lar
Hope i find you well, as you said there are some price difference out there from vendor to vendor. Getting prices from 2600euros to about 600euros for a water softner system and a RO unit. Looking at the specs on each there does not seem to be that much of a difference between them to warrant this price difference.

Seen the "magicians" you mentioned on the tv awhile ago turning clear water brown and scamming a load of cash off people but there are always some people that get caught with these scams.
Thanks for the link will check it out, did you ever get you broadband sorted out Lar or are you still on dialup??


Thanks all again for your responses

GB

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04 Sep 2009 20:34 #9 by Tom (Tom Brecknell)
Replied by Tom (Tom Brecknell) on topic Re:Limescale
gerryberry wrote:


Tom
Like the idea of leaving one tap on the mains, no matter what system i go for i think i will do this just as a backup.Is there any way of testing to see when the RO filters need changing??? Will a tds meter do this???
GB


The simple way for me is when the lime scale starts to build up on the kettle it’s time to replace the cartridges.

Tom.B)

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04 Sep 2009 21:41 #10 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Replied by gerryberry (Jeff Daly) on topic Re:Limescale
Bang on Tom makes perfect sense, thanks again

GB

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04 Sep 2009 23:02 #11 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:Limescale
Gerry,
I might have gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick here, but think it's best to mention: water from domestic water softeners is unsuitable for fish use.
I was taken to task by someone several years ago for daring to suggest it might be OK, if run through an RO before entering the tank water (I still think it might be OK, but straight from the unit - definitely not).

John

Location:
N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


ITFS member.



It's a long way to Tipperary.

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05 Sep 2009 07:46 #12 by cardinal (Lar Savage)
Replied by cardinal (Lar Savage) on topic Re:Limescale

did you ever get you broadband sorted out Lar or are you still on dialup??


Ahhh Gerry.....
Did you not know that dialup "IS" the new Broadband......:P :P :P ..Nope ...Still here in limbo...my Information superhighway is actually a boreen with grass growing in the middle....:laugh: Tho I did get a bit drunk a few weeks ago and send Eircom a mad rant of a letter about all of this They actually replied and said it will be in by the end of sept...tho come to mention it they didn't say what year...:P :P

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05 Sep 2009 21:38 #13 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Replied by gerryberry (Jeff Daly) on topic Re:Limescale
No probs john it can be hard to grasp any stick some times:silly: :silly: :silly:



lar
Keep on drinking and sending email the best way to get a rant out;) ;) ;)

Cheers lads
GB

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