the fakers

There are tons of photos of plants in tanks and some of them are genuine, I dont agree with having the type of flowers in your garden that you have to keep replacing to keep "a display" I have the deepest respect for the true terrestrial guarders that can from seed have a flower garden with the big flowers at the back and the smaller ones at the back, may be one day when I am retired I do the same, in the mean time I just have shrubs and finer grass (no rolls of laid turf).

What the hell as that got to do with taking photos of plants in a fresh water aquarium or posting inverts in a marine tank....everything!

I dont want to be mean enough to directly criticise and make reference to a particular photo posted, as there is no point as its the vast majority I am referring to.

Attack on the fresh water planted tank

They are all fakers (80%). If you look closely the gravel is spotless so it has just been set up, there is no evidence of the plants sprouting runners, the plants have some time gravel slighly smothering the stem so it could never survive. If the photo was genuine the bigger older eaves would be darker and the "new growth in the tank " would be lighter green", the tank would be domineered by usually one species to have a bit of everything like a sort of noah's arch planted tank would not lasts most species would not be suited to given environment while may one or possible 2 would and would take over the tank. Its almost as bad as having plastic plants.

Attack on the Marine Invert tank

I have yet to see the same marine invert tank 5 years latter, looking anything like the original picture, why is photo post only done between 1 day to 14 days after they are introduce , why are there no post a old mature tank with a little bit of real crap on the bottom and a little bit of algae growing on ther back wall, they are mostly fake to.

Its a bit like going to a florist and getting a bunch of flowers with no roots and stuffing it in the soil and taking a photo of the entire whole garden in a gardening forum.

Good to see you back!!!!!!!!!!!!

Attack on the fresh water planted tank

I dont want to be mean enough to directly criticise and make reference to a particular photo posted, as there is no point as its the vast majority I am referring to.

They are all fakers (80%).

Since 80% are fakers!! and I am assuming that you are talking about the "post your planted tanks" thread in the plants section! I'm going to make the assumption that one of them is mine. There is after all 5 tank pictures, which means you are suggesting that four of them are fake, newly planted and don't have a future.

I have no problem with you criticising my tank and if it is mine, I would like to know so that I can prove you wrong on all of the statement you have made in your last post (well with regards to my tank anyway).

Regards

Denis

Attack on the fresh water planted tank

I dont want to be mean enough to directly criticise and make reference to a particular photo posted, as there is no point as its the vast majority I am referring to.

They are all fakers (80%).

Since 80% are fakers!! and I am assuming that you are talking about the "post your planted tanks" thread in the plants section! I'm going to make the assumption that one of them is mine. There is after all 5 tank pictures, which means you are suggesting that four of them are fake, newly planted and don't have a future.

I have no problem with you criticising my tank and if it is mine, I would like to know so that I can prove you wrong on all of the statement you have made in your last post (well with regards to my tank anyway).

Regards

Denis

Hi Denis,
I am not more of photos of certain chlidids with plants in the background.
Sean

I think the fakers are not so much in the planted section, as in the fish section. Don't get paranoid :?

dont be a wuzz, if you are going to make statements like that give specifics.... i wanna see some trouble...

haha what a great trolling post.........one thing you forgot to mention, the web fakers best tool ever..........PHOTOSHOP!!

Glad you reminded me though, must post up pictures of my new planted tank, look foreward to your critique!!

Yes, be specific. If you are referring to either or both of my tanks, they are not fake as they are not claiming to be anything they are not.

Anyway, enjoyed your talk at the last meeting, very interesting.



Daragh

No way, I not going to be specific, it would cause too much trouble, the chances any way if you are defending your photo as its genuine, the fakers know who there are, there's nothing we can do about the past, but the fakers may avoid real obvious fake planted tanks photos in the future making it more fair for the genuine one especial the photos aimed at fish with plants in the back ground.

There is nothing wrong sending in a photo that has the odd spot of dirt in the gravel, if the centre of the plants a lighter green all the better as it shows the growth happen in YOUR tank.

Please no more specific questions are you talking about mine or his? other wise I will get a brick throw through my window.

since fatherjack has decided to take the rightous route i will give my opinion.
One of the pictures in question is Darraghs pic of the angel and the gourami.......

my guess is that one of the photos in question is Darraghs pic of the angel and gourami with the plants in the background

People, easy does it. none of you is half as bad as a well known fish mag or any of the ads therein. The ads in particular are a killer. If you want to fake it and don't use swords in the pictures since their emerse and submerse leave shapes are so different. Does anyboy have the 2007 calender from Sera. There are some brutal pictures in it

Holger

since fatherjack has decided to take the rightous route i will give my opinion.
One of the pictures in question is Darraghs pic of the angel and the gourami.......

That different as when that was posted it was made it was so bad I was not afraid to make a comment directly in the thread, as the heart and muscle area that supports the pectoral fin was completely missing, thanks to photo shop and a lot of IT. I had forgotten about that post, but was not referring to it in this particular case.

Oh my God, what scandal I have stirred up, just 24 hours before the drinking week end, will this get locked by Monday morning. :twisted:

O.k I think I may have a solution to all of this, lets get all the photos of fish with plants in the background and have them re posted or cut and paste from existing post and have a vote is it fake or is it real?, naturally it would have to be anonymous vote and the system could only allow each member to vote once for each photo, for this to be really be interesting lets not vote of the photos that were posted in the plant section, as most of them look pretty real, the photos are say only posted in this month to limit the server space of fish with plants in the back ground its all a bit of fun, I did not mine the alcoholic vote, hopefully the photo postee wont mine either, after all they must be proud enough to post it in the first place on the public air ways.

:idea:

:shock: Re-dick-ulous

Regardless whether plants are thriving or whether they are dying off and being replaced every few months. SO WHAT???
You cant call them fakers..! Are they not still planted tanks..?
They still have foliage which look nice. They still provide
cover/food/oxygen for fish...

I planted tulip bulbs a month ago. When they flower
in late spring/early summer i will enjoy them. but i wont
be digging up the bulbs a few weeks after, drying them
out and putting them in a dry dark box until next year.

Okay so people post photos up of their newly planted tanks.
They're not claiming to be Takashi Amano, meerly proud
of their aquascaping and showing their planted tanks.

As for dirt on the gravel.. Some people actually gravel clean when changing their water!!.. yes that's changing water.

Some of the Amano photos I have seen are doctored as well. Emersely cultivated crypts and swords stick out like sore thumbs. Sean, have a few cold ones and the world will look brighter on Monday

Holger

I dont care how many water changes you do, focusing on siphon removing dirt's at the same time, the gravel cant look that clean especially deep down, the only way to have gravel that clean from top to bottom is if its NEWLY SET UP<28days old.

I was not afraid to film my sons tanks and project it measure in feet instead of inches on the wall of last month ITFS, its disgusting I have sen sewage plants cleaner and I am not ashamed of it you can tell its years old and has had not much attention (understaement) who gives a monkeys, the ere is plenty of prove the fish are still breading.

I think we have the capability to do the Febuarry photo competionh to, instead of voting which is the best photo. we can vote on, which one which is fake or not fake, I am sure Anthony wont mine bearing in mind he has never posted his africans with plants so we cant critasise Anthony own personal photos. It would be a great laugh.

I beleive in renewable resources its not immoral to buy plants from a store but if they have to be replaced after three month that redickolous, why not just propagate the single species that does well in a tank, java moss, java fern can be grown by any plonker, any one that post expert plants when its so ovbiuos its a fake make me laugh, and I suspect the person that post it does not realise what a nodders they are making. dont get me wrong I dont want to stop photo post but a little less quanity and more quality wont hurt any one. :?:

testing i can not send any post except supper clean words othe rwise de bug comes up and yet another 30 wasted posting in vein lost.

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test post for de bug problem wasted 2 hours posting today in vein.

test post for de bug filter

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Simple solution Visit the accused and see for yourselves !!!!!!!!!!!!!
simple

There is 2 types of philosophy in gardering, the busy executive with little time for gardening but with a keen pro type interest, who will have beautiful shrubs PLANNED On paper with beautiful velvet lawns PLANNED with the same techniques use on a golf Green (I am a real scaled down golf green in my garden)
.
Then there is the other type of gardener who may have more free time on his or hers hands, but has never planned there garden, and when they go to the garden centre the buy
On impulse different bulbs and semi grown flowers that need to be planted, and replace
Yearly. Of course they cover for the local cat food for the snails and oxygen for every one, but they are non re new able, almost chaotic, this type of gardener may more colour in his or hers garden than mine but he is as tacky as putting an air freshener in his car on view, he buys and 42 inch plasma TV (which are crap) instead of an 32inch or 37inch high end LCD TV, he will have a plug in hands free in his car instead of an blue tooth one. Basically you can take the man out of the bog but you can’t take the bog out of the man, this guy cant resist buying planted every 3 month, and would never dream of PLANNING one single species of plant that is renewable.

No matter how many water changes you do, you can take photos of a tank where the lower section in 100% clean, unless of course its only 2 weeks old which bring full circle what my thread is. I had to write this in word and cut and past as I am sick to tires of posting and getting rejected then having to re write it all again as the forum losses the text.

I notice before the de bug problem that the very first day we moved server there was a slight time delay after you summit a post before it shows up (not as good as before we moved) now the system is virtually un usable. Is the forum lacking money to home it in the right place?

:shock: Re-dick-ulous

Regardless whether plants are thriving or whether they are dying off and being replaced every few months. SO WHAT???
You cant call them fakers..! Are they not still planted tanks..?
They still have foliage which look nice. They still provide
cover/food/oxygen for fish...

I planted tulip bulbs a month ago. When they flower
in late spring/early summer i will enjoy them. but i wont
be digging up the bulbs a few weeks after, drying them
out and putting them in a dry dark box until next year.

Okay so people post photos up of their newly planted tanks.
They're not claiming to be Takashi Amano, meerly proud
of their aquascaping and showing their planted tanks.

As for dirt on the gravel.. Some people actually gravel clean when changing their water!!.. yes that's changing water.

There is 2 types of philoisfio in gardering, the busy executive with little time for gardening but with a keen pro type interest, who will have beautiful shrubs PLANNED
On paper with beautiful velvet lawns PLANNED with the same techniques use on a golf
Green (I am a real scaled down golf green in my garden)
.
Then there is the other type of gardener who may have more free time on his or hers hands, but has never planned there garden, and when they go to the garden centre the buy
On impulse different bulbs and semi grown flowers that need to be planted, and replace
Yearly. Of course they cover for the local cat food for the snails and oxygen for every one, but they are non re new able, almost chaotic, this type of gardener may more colour in his or hers garden than mine but he is as tacky as putting an air freshener in his car on view, he buys and 42 inch plasma TV (which are crap) instead of an 32inch or 37inch high end LCD TV, he will have a plug in hands free in his car instead of an blue tooth one. Basically you can take the man out of the bog but you can’t take the bog out of the man, this guy cant resist buying planted every 3 month, and would never dream of PLANNING one single species of plant that is renewable.

No matter how many water changes you do, you can take photos of a tank where the lower section in 100% clean, unless of course its only 2 weeks old which bring full circle what my thread is. I had to write this in word and cut and past as I am sick to tires of posting and getting rejected then having to re write it all again as the forum losses the text.

I notice before the de bug problem that the very first day we moved server there was a slight time delay after you summit a post before it shows up (not as good as before we moved) now the system is virtually un usable. Is the forum lacking money to home it in the right place?

Taking about another forum of fakers, has any one looked at the new member list for the last 10 days? The amount of over seas new members is amazing, its a petty they have not done one post yet?...mmmmmm :?