Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
A few suggestions for successful sales.
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Firstly read the previously posted guidelines.
1] Always include the whereabouts of where the item(s) is/are located, this will make it easier for would-be buyers to decide whether it's convenient to them. This is probably the most important of the suggestions, it isn't fair to offer items for sale without telling would-be buyers where they (the items) are situated.
2] In the words of the old saying: - "A picture is worth a thousand words" (I nicked that phrase from ebay) so, if at all possible try to illustrate whatever you're selling with a picture of the thing actually advertised (but if not possible and a picture to illustrate is available online, use that - but make it very clear the picture isn't the actual thing you're advertising).
3] I have observed that ads asking for offers very rarely get serious offers - if you know how much you're looking for for something it might be better for all concerned if you ask for that amount in the first place...you'll inevitably get someone who doesn't want to pay the asking price make a lower offer anyway so you might want to bear this in mind also.
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4] when the item is sold - please post on the Forum that it has gone - or, in the case of multiple items being offered, please amend your ad to delete items sold.
For buyers:
1] I find it helps others interested if you mention on the Forum that you have either phoned the seller (if he has offered a contact number) or sent a Personal Message...
2] If you don't want to pay the asking price please make a serious offer, not a derisory one.
I can't think offhand of any more suggestions, but will add any others as and when they appear.
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I read this helpful Post a while back and it really should be re read every time you consider selling Fishy related stuff on the Forum.
It will make your sales and purchases quicker in the long run, getting to the nitty gritty so to speak and saving you lots of time and hassle.
Kev.
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Agreed, thats a head melt. Nothing worse than boxing off a load of stuff only to never hear from the other party. Time and money down the tube.
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absolutely agree with comments. and it is the reason why i and others rarely post anything for sale on the forum. although most people i dealt or deal with have been grand, the odd one that dos'nt return pms can leave a sour taste.
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For anyone not familiar with this (Underneath the ITFS Banner) - Top left it says "Private Messages" and beside that there is a little icon picturing an envelope. If that's 'flashing' it means you have a PM - underneath it tells you how many PMs (or none) you have awaiting you.
To help even further an email is sent to your email address notifying you that you have a PM and the content of that message appears. However, I must stress that if you reply to that email the reply does not go to the sender of the PM - you can only reply to a PM (even though you will have read it from your inbox) by logging into the Forum and sending your response using the 'PM' facility there.
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Since so many 'For Sale' postings are still being posted without location information (which is a real 'bummer' for potential purchasers - they really do need this information) we are planning to omit any in which the seller has forgotten to add this.
To a lesser degree this would also be helpful to members posting 'Wanted' ads too so similar details are now requested as well.
The advertisements will be immediately reinstated upon the relevant information being provided.
This will apply for any future posting, but if you have anything currently 'on offer' or being 'requested' please amend them accordingly.
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Dont get me started on "pm replied to"

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Oh "Post Replied "


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Any chance the location could show up on the profile area within the chat forum, maybe under the PM ONLINE PROFILE bit ? JOHN H. please...........would save u havin to tell folk to add their location...
I'll look, but I don't think it's viable.
But how much easier would it be if everyone offering items for sale just added their location as a matter of course?
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Maybe I'm just being a bit pedantic,feel free to abuse me if I am,but all these posts that state "pm sent" rile me a hell of a lot more than lack of location,that I can ask,but constantly clicking on new posts just to see "pm sent" gets me going!A person is notified automatically when they receive a pm,is it neccessary?
Tetra_Tetra wrote:
I have done this myself "pm sent" but only so the seller knows that you were first to respond to the ad as there maybe alot of interest from other members for the item/fish.Does your PM inbox sort messages by date and time not sure myself?
I agree with Acara that opening a thread to read "PM Sent" is a pain, but I agree with Tetra Tetra too. I have been guilty of using "PM Sent" to let others see you have expressed an interest already. I have also sent the PM without posting that in the thread and got grief (considerable grief actually) where I was first to reply within a couple of minutes of the original post, but two others that had posted "PM Sent" within an hour were very pee'd off to find I had bought the item when they heard from the seller the item was no longer available.
So a suggestion that PM Sent should not be used in all cases and then it is the same for everyone and any "PM Sent" posts get automatically deleted, well automatic in as far as Johnh just deletes them manually

There is another use for "PM Sent" on the forum which usually refers to someone complaining or seeing something special without being specific and another poster asks for details, it is logical the for the original poster to say "PM sent" as readers know the query was answered offline - I think that is fair enough.
Daragh
PS. Bumping "For Sale" threads, especially within a day or two of the last posting should also be deleted in IMHO, "H" standing for humble in this case

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I personally don't think banning the use of 'PM sent' replies (having done it at least myself) would be necessary for the reasons Daragh gives - but if enough members send me a PM to the contrary I will delete them as soon as they are noticed.
The 'Bumping' of offers is another matter entirely, unless - as mentioned - something changes such as price or description this will also be deleted.
Another bone of contention is the same person using separate posts for individual items. If one person is selling several items they should be listed together in one post, not three or four individual ones...items sold from the list can either be deleted or marked 'SOLD'.
This will do for the time being.
John
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