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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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23 Apr 2012 21:12 #1 by Oto (Ed)
Hi everyone. I'm new to keeping tropical fish. :hammer: I have a 54l tank 30x30x60cm. Its been set up for about 5 weeks now. I started introducing fish about 3.5 weeks ago.

Currently I have
2x steelblue killifissh (m&f)
5x harlequin rasboras,
1x rainbow gourami(m),
4x otos that I do not know the species- I'm thinking Otocinclus vittatus, I purchased them at seahorse aquariums
1x Double Full Red Cockatoo Cichlid (m) (I think that's what its called,)
1-4 red cherry shrimp?- not sure how many are left in the tank. I put three females in the tank today but since I introduced them I can only seem to find one.

I've had a few deaths so far. :( I initially stocked the tank with 5 red cherry shrimp of which four died. I also tried introducing an oto on its own on one occasion and again a group of five. On both occasions one died. I think it might have something to do with the plant fertilizer I'm using?

I'm really looking for advice on the suitability of the current fish I'm keeping. The gourammi seems to spend the whole time sizing up the shrimp as food or harrasing the other killifish and cichlid. He seemed to attack his reflection the other night making the thermometer go crack against the glass. Im using dorset gravel. The ammonia levels seem to be stubbornly stuck at 0.25ppm, ph is 7.4-7.6(I'm using a meter) it was 8 until I stuck in some bogwood, NO2=0 and NO3 5PPM.

Any input from someone would be a great help :cool:

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23 Apr 2012 22:26 - 23 Apr 2012 22:27 #2 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
ok well just a quick point your tank being new is quite overstocked, it takes roughly 6 to 8 weeks for a filter to function properly and be mature enough to support stock properly, once this has happened you should then introduce fish in stages ie no more than 5 or 6 per week or better still per forthnight to let the filter build up enough beneficial bacteria to support the increased bioload... you have caused an overload of your filter which has caused these losses a common mistake amoung new fishkeepers think we all must have done it here at one time or another, i would not buy anymore fish for a couple of weeks to let the filter mature more, then introduce them slowly.. with your ph it is quite high being around 8ph and would be more suited to malawi's or tanganyikans, other wise add some peat pellets to your filter to help lower it to around 6.5 to 7 ideal for most of your species... gouramis depending on the type will also predate on shrimp and again some depending on the species or gourami can be quite nasty to other fish..
Hope this helps
Seamus

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24 Apr 2012 09:15 #3 by BillG (Bill Gray)
Hi Ed84, welcome to the forum :)

I would agree with all that Seamus said in his reply regarding the cycling of the tank and the increase in bio load on the filter being the most probable cause of the losses you had. He makes a good point about the gouramis too, would recommend doing some research on them if you are thinking of adding any more of them later.
Your ammonia levels will not help with shrimp either :( they are very sensitive to ammonia, more so than your fish would be, so they tend to be the first casualties as the levels start to creep up. As your filter matures and catches up with the bio load in the tank, you should see these levels drop.

Cheers,

Bill.

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24 Apr 2012 10:21 #4 by stretnik (stretnik)
Replied by stretnik (stretnik) on topic Re: New to tropical fish keeping
Welcome Ed.

To add to the guys comments, leave ottos out of your Tank until there is enouh algae to support them, they require a mature Aquarium.

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24 Apr 2012 13:13 #5 by ger310 (Ger .)
Welcome to the forum Ed and the best of luck with your setup......it will sort itself out!!!

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24 Apr 2012 14:42 - 24 Apr 2012 14:42 #6 by jwm (sean sean)
Welcome along fella. You have been greeted by some of the best fishy brains on this Forum i'm most definitely the looks :P All will be sorted soon, the biggest thing is patience, i was the same put water in and bang in the fish and check me out im a fishkeeper, went to more fishy funerals in the first couple o weeks than i care to talk about. You can get additive that builds up the beneficial bacteria in the tank. google it or ask the brains here. Best o luck and stick up a pic when its sorted.

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25 Apr 2012 08:58 #7 by Bettaria (Pedro Santos)
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25 Apr 2012 12:49 #8 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
Hey ed welcome along

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25 Apr 2012 15:30 #9 by ghart (Greg Hart)
Welcome Ed!

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25 Apr 2012 20:54 - 25 Apr 2012 20:59 #10 by Oto (Ed)
Hi thanks to everyone who got back to me. At this stage I do realise that my tank is a bit overstocked. I wont be adding any more for a while. One thing I have noticed is that the Double Full Red Cockatoo Cichlid seems to have it in for the pair of killifish. The harassment is verging on homicidal tonight. I gues I have learned not to mix the two again. I've given up on my red cherry shrimp I think they've been eaten by the cichlid. I really might have to get rid of this guy on account of his aggression. He does look pretty cool though. I'm not sure what to do with the otos. Due to the lack of algae I have been adding bit of cucumber every day or two. Here are a few pics
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