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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Buying the 1st fish

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08 Feb 2008 16:50 #1 by Robbie (Peter Kelly)
I know you must wait 2-4 weeks for a tropical tank to mature , but can any one tell me its OK to buy a couple of fish and put them in after one week of tank maturity.

Has anyone done this.

Some fish may be able to handle it.

tanks again

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08 Feb 2008 17:07 #2 by monty (monty)
Hi Robbie,

Best of luck with your tank.

Firstly, how is the tank cycling being started ?. This can be done in a few ways
- fishless cycle - need to get some ammonia into the tank. Drop some fish food, frozen prawn in and let it rock will kick it off
- fish cycling - this is where one or 2 hardy fish are added. These will produce the ammonia to get the cycle going but will alow go through the issues with the tank having ammonia and nitrite until the cycle ends.
- Get filter media/gravel from an established tank. By far the best way. If you can get some of these they will be full of the bacteria that you want.

Whichever way you choose make sure you have a test kit and check the ammonia/nitrite.

Cheers,

Monty

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08 Feb 2008 17:18 #3 by arabu1973 (. .)
That depends on few things.
You could put fish in if you had the filter matured in another tank or from somebody else or get some dirt from somebody that its cleaning its own filter. I know that you are dieing to put fish in, we the fishkeepers just cant look at an empty tank, but unles you have a matured filter i wouldnt recommend it. Wait another 2-3 weeks just to be on the safe side and then test the water in the tank. You dont want to put the fishes in and next day to find them dead. If you never kept fishes before ask your local lfs for the hardiest tropical fish that they can get you. Hope this helps.

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08 Feb 2008 17:33 #4 by Peter OB (Peter O'Brien)
I personally think it is too early, patience is the key here.

If you are patient and do things properly you will be rewarded with a nice care-free hobby. Where are you based? I'm sure there is someone from the forum close-by that can give you some filter media from an established tank. This will kick start the tank.

Smoke me a Kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast.

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08 Feb 2008 20:37 #5 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
Hi Robbie,
i notice you are with the I.T.F.S THEIR MEETING IS THIS TUESDAY. but a note up in their section here. and ask if some one could bring you some mature filter medium in tank water. that you can add to your tank (medium and water) put some flake in now just to kick start the process. I am sure you will find plenty willing to help
Mickey

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08 Feb 2008 21:29 #6 by Valerie (Valerie)
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Hi Robbie,

I have nothing else to add to this thread. I just wanted to say Welcome to the forum! :-)

Good luck with your new tank.

Valerie

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09 Feb 2008 01:31 - 09 Feb 2008 12:22 #7 by Anthony (Anthony)
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Valerie wrote:

Hi Robbie,

I have nothing else to add to this thread. I just wanted to say Welcome to the forum! :-)

Good luck with your new tank.

Valerie


Welcome to the forum dude. Best of luck with your tank. Get some filter squeezings from a
mature tank and then add some fish.
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10 Feb 2008 17:12 #8 by Robbie (Peter Kelly)
Hi

Thank you for all the advise!

Ok based on the research , I will wait another week before putting the fish in

So now , I have the tank a week maturing and have added the following :

1. Aqua Plus
2. Cycle

Should I add this to my 150litres tank daily or once a week

I have also complete flake food , should I put this in also.

I have the temperature dial at 24c

will I increase this temperature or will I leave it.

When should i test the water and how often should I do it!!

Has anyone a siamiese fighting fish .. they look great!!

tanks again to all.

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10 Feb 2008 18:27 #9 by arabu1973 (. .)
Robbie wrote:


So now , I have the tank a week maturing and have added the following :

1. Aqua Plus
2. Cycle
Should I add this to my 150litres tank daily or once a week.


Like it says on the bottles, once a week 2 caps/70L

I have also complete flake food , should I put this in also.


You dont have fish yet so no but you could add just how much you can take between 2 fingers just one time for bacteria in the filter.

I have the temperature dial at 24c

will I increase this temperature or will I leave it.


Live the temp at 24 until you get your fish and then the day before you get your fish put the temp at what temp your fish live, ask your lfs all the info regarding the fish you want(temp, food, ph etc)

When should i test the water and how often should I do it!!


Test the water before you get your fish and every week after that

Has anyone a siamiese fighting fish .. they look great!!

tanks again to all.

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10 Feb 2008 18:39 #10 by JohnH (John)
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Robbie,
You do not say if you have bought a Water Testing Kit, if not this must be your primary objective, water may look OK but unless you have the details to hand you will not know for certain when the tank is fully mature and ready for stocking.
Apart from that you are going down the right route, I fear you'll need to wait longer than two weeks for a full cycle to occur, though.
As most everyone had advised try to get hold of some filter contents from someone who has a fully cycled tank, adding some of the 'gunge' from a kind donor's filter to your own will appreciably reduce your cycling (and hence your waiting) time.
Believe me, we all have 'suffered' the waiting time, looking at a tank with no fish is like breaking into a bank and not stealing any money! But, I'm afraid that's the way it is...for your tank to be a safe and trouble-free environment for you future pets you really must 'follow the rules' and rule no.1 is to know the perameters of the water, only by testing it can you know when it is right, hence safe for your new pets.
Most of the sponsors of the Forum will stock Bettas (Siamese Fighters) - but be warned, they aren't really a beginner's fish. I would suggest you start off, very gradually increasing your stock levels over a period of time rather than putting in the full amount of fish you intend to stock all in one go. This is because your newly cycled tank will be just that, a cycled tank - the very moment you start adding livestock and feeding them you increase the 'load' on the fitration bacteria. If overloaded too soon the filter will not be able to cope and the consequences of that can be disastrous.
I have to say it's ever so easy to overfeed your fish too, especially if others in the house 'slip in' food for your fish without your knowing, uneaten food spells disaster! Actually even too much food, even when eaten, can be equally hazardous, a fish can only assimilate a certain amount of the food it eats, the remainder come back out of its 'rear end' as undigested - just as bad, in fact, as that which the fish didn't eat.
So, either buy a Testing Kit, - or if you already have one - use it religiously!!! It can tell you so much about your tank's well-being. As time passes you will learn to be able to watch the behaviour of your fish, letting them 'tell you' by their behaviour how they are, if they're not showing any signs of distress - chances are they're potentially fine, but as I said this comes with experience of watching them - for now the water perameters have to be your guide. But even then, never allow yourself to be fooled int not still using your Test Kit, its importance cannot be overstated!!!
Please keep us informed as the way things are going, and remember there's someone here most of the time to offer some help if it's needed.
Good luck.
John

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10 Feb 2008 19:38 #11 by Robbie (Peter Kelly)
great bit of information..

tanks John

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10 Feb 2008 20:47 #12 by Cardnim (Andrew Hanley)
Hey Robbie, welcome to the forum!!

You have had great advise so far, and I jsut have a couple of things to add.

- turn the temp up to 30C if you have no fish in there as this provides a better home for your new bacteria and your cycle will complete much faster.

- try to add an Ammonia Solution to the tank, not fish food.

Fish food also creates loads of phosphates, nitrates and other nasties as it breaks down... and all you actually want is ammonia, so go into any DIY store or chemist and pick a bottle up for 1 euro. It really is that cheap!

You can use a pipette every day to accurately measure out the amount of ammonia you want to add. (keep it at 5mg/l for the first week, then when this drops to zero within one day, start decreasing the amount added; down to about 2 mg/l every day. Monitor your ammonia and nitrite levels, and when ammonia and nitrite both read 0 your cycle is complete.

Oh yeah, and another BIG advantage of doing it this way, is your filter will be able to cope with the load of all your fish so you dont have to stock gradually - just stick to the 1\" of fish per gallon of water rule and you'll be fine.

Remember, too much ammonia will inhibit the growth of nitrospira and nitrobacter bacteria which means your tank will never properly cycle (a problem I fought for AGES when i tried to set up my first tank!) :(

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11 Feb 2008 13:38 #13 by Robbie (Peter Kelly)
Hi Cardnim

thanks for the information, it really is useful. I will monitor the ammonia levels.

Whats your taught however on the following:

A dechlotinator for the tank

The procedure of siphoning water from my thank , and doing this during the cycle

tanks again

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11 Feb 2008 16:18 - 11 Feb 2008 18:00 #14 by Cardnim (Andrew Hanley)
As far as de-chlorinators go, one is as good as another I basically AS LONG AS it removes chloramine as well as chlorine.
I personally use one from America called Kordon Nov-AquaPlus which not only removes chlorine and chloramine, but also puts some vitamins in the water that help the fishes slime coats and immune systems (supposedly!)

Dont change any of the water in your tank while cycling. There is no point whatsoever (unless you have fish in there while the cycle is happening) If you are doing a fishless cycle, dont change the water until the cycle completes, then do a big 50%+ water change to bring the nihtrates down to somewhere around 5-20ppm.
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