dyed fish please read..............

mickeywallace wrote:

Loggser
for the record sponsors have been removed in the past for failing to meet standards and i am sure if there is a case this will be the action taken.

the problem is were people do not follow the correct procedure
Admin can only act when they are informed of a problem which should only be done via pm or Email

then it will take time to get an independent member to visit and verify the complaint.

at the same time admin will inform sponsors of the complaint and ask for clarification on their position once all this is done the appropriate measures will be taken

and all this take time

Granted.
My posts arent about this one particular instance as somebody else stated the shop in question could have got a delivery sent in unwanted by a supplier etc.
Eitherways the argument of we got sent them so we sold them on if the shop has a problem with their suppliers then they should take it up with them and not pass the fish on to customers, sombody else said these sometimes arrive thru the post from England and cant be sent back, ehh post works both ways!!!

If Dixons get a dodgy batch of Tellys in they dont sell them on they return them.

What has my back up is the amount of negative feeling towards this practice, the supposed I take it opinion of ITFS also thats its not on but yet they will support shops which do it and send customers their way, whether their buying these fish or not.

My personal opinion of Dyed fish is there rotten looking what idiot would want them, if pressed I'd be against it but not enough to get up on a roof with a sniper rifle like
I am however sick of reading threads on it and reading neg comments some coming from members of a club who actually support and help promote/advertise the same shops selling them regularly.
Its hypocrisy, support it or dont but dont pretend not to ffs.

A good post MickyW but what is the appropiate action taken may I ask? All Ive been told so far is you may raise the issue with the shop manager. Wahoo bully for me. Whats the oficial ITFS stance on the issue and are they willing to approach such shops and withdraw support on this site which is their site but isnt their site may I ask?

I'll gladly donate the membership cost to the running of the site as I use it but ye can keep the membership card and the 10% discount thanks.
Ive had multiple problems with one particular sponsor on here who I started using after reading all the praise from other members on here and simply stopped using them. Nightmare place.
God forbid raising the issue about them tho.



Daragh_Owens wrote:

I would suggest that any member that does not like the rules, resigns. Very simple.

This topic has been debated and baited on numerous occasions and there is no benefit of rehashing it weekly for the amusement of some members. Personally if it was my forum I would lock the topic and any others started up to rehash the thread again.

There is an article here on dyed fish and anyone interested in this hideous practice can see the photos and what is involved.

I think it is a sad state that the most active thread is the most controversial, some very serious and worthwhile posts on FISH KEEPING go through here with no replies at all. Sometimes I wonder what people are waiting for. Another dyed fish thread perhaps?


Daragh

Is that a hint? Trembling...

While the ever boring topic of Dyed fish has been debated to death I dont believe the issue I've raised hasnt, not since Ive joined anyways.

I'd agree actually I'd nearly plea for the locking of such threads or even just have the one Stickied so it can all be contained in there. I wont be reading thru it.

But, your never gonna stop new people joining and throwing up a thread tho because its new to them and they feel news/conversation worthy. It may be old news but not to everyone and if ITFS are promotional and educational as claimed (ahem:blush:) then how will they achieve this in terms of Dyed fish if they ban a thread or threads on it???
We educate folks but yet banned from discussing the topic, yeah righ!
Again say one thing then do another methinks.

Will I be greeted warmly if I bring a big feck off half purple half green Parrot fish with the words "Dyed Rox" on the side of him and a pepsi logo on the other side to the next fish show or not

Ye cant talk about this subject or that subject is a great idea!
The commies, Mao, Hitler, & Sadam all used it to great effect

Talk about an over reaction.
If the opinion/stance of ITFS was clear then there'd no knickers in a knot squirming under questioning. Simple.

Pain in the arse it might be its gonna keep coming up until the club takes a stance on the issue. One way or the other!


P.S I'm not spell checking all that lol

I was the one that said the fish might have been sent by mistake. I have seen this happen to a very highly regarded fish shop before. The fish are flown over and delivered by courier. The fish aren't posted!!!
If Dixons got a load of dodgy TVs they would send them back to the manufacturer. But Dixons are a massive company with huge purchasing power. They have got very good systems for shipping goods. TVs are very expensive things.
If your local small petshop gets in 15 dyed barbs or blood parrots, they are hardly going to organise to fly the fish back to the UK with a courier, and I doubt the supplier is prepared to do it either!

mickeywallace wrote:

I second Daragh Owens suggestion.

i would also suggest that the article be made a sticky in Beginners Haven so new members can learn and avoid buying these poor fish and the trouble that can come with them.

Mickey

Well said I was just typing that as you posted, ye cant ban the discussion of it just put up one thread and leave them all to post in there about it.
New members will always bring it up again.
And needs to be addressed to 'educate' them anyways.

duzzy1 wrote:

hi guys ..... i was in dublin today and visited a few sponsors stores and saw these dyed fish in 2 of them ....... now i understand the objections ppl have to them ... and i can understand how ppl can get irate and object to the practice of selling them ........ but my question is .....We are all adults , totally capable of making our own educated decisions so why is so hard to just walk past the tanks .... go about your business ....... and if you want to voice your opinions then do it to the person or persons employed in said store ?

Dyed fish in 2 sponsors shops not just one, unexpected delivery
excuse out the window their so

I don't see the benefit of bringing down a very informative and helpful forum with posts containing a load of wot can only be described as " he said , she said " nonsense .....

Nor I


Guys .. it happens , unfortunately ...... in the same way numerous other practices happen all around us which we may not agree with , but the mods and owner of the site are not the ppl causing the problem ......

No they just advertise their shops on here as good reputable shops for folks to go buy from, ehh ok


look its just my 2 cents worth ...

i personally really enjoy this forum and have gotten loads of great advice and information from its members and mods since i have joined .

Me 2, the Hypocrisy does me head in tho:huh:

thanx for listening ( or reading )

martin

Valerie wrote:

@ Loggser,

I don't want to fall into polemics as I am not a politician!

Nevertheless, as my last contribution to this thread, I'd like to add below the CFKS Charter which has been approved along with the Club Constitution :

The aim of the club and its monthly meetings is to:

- Build a Fish-Keeping Community in the West & Ireland
- Share experiences and knowledge with others
- Educate others
- Promote the hobby of fish-keeping
- Commit to good fish-keeping practices
- Support the Irish Fish Keeping Federation and the ITFS Discussion Forum
- Discourage the keeping of dyed fish
- Protect endangered species
- Have fun !

Regards,
Valerie

Discourage the keeping of dyed fish - Thats a fail so!
Your actively going against your own club constitution...

A lad went for a ramble today around various sponsors shops and found Dyed fish in 2 of them so not an single occurance, shops which were highlighted to him and put forward as safe, good, reputable from his being on this ITFS/CFKS forum.......What are yis like

I seriously suggest scrapping this whole thread to the bin because the hole is getting deeper, hand back the shovels, try save some dignity for christ sake

wolfsberg wrote:

I was the one that said the fish might have been sent by mistake. I have seen this happen to a very highly regarded fish shop before. The fish are flown over and delivered by courier. The fish aren't posted!!!
If Dixons got a load of dodgy TVs they would send them back to the manufacturer. But Dixons are a massive company with huge purchasing power. They have got very good systems for shipping goods. TVs are very expensive things.
If your local small petshop gets in 15 dyed barbs or blood parrots, they are hardly going to organise to fly the fish back to the UK with a courier, and I doubt the supplier is prepared to do it either!

15 Barbs dont get their own Lear Jet!
Their "Posted" thru Airmail lol.
If ye buy a jacket from ebay and get trousers you send them back.
I've spent €6,200 thru ebay this last 2 years mostly on bike stuff or so my Paypal account total tells me buying from all over the world. I do understand international post and the headaches of returning goods, most transactions are not covered for returnable shipping, I've learnt that the hard way having to either resell the goods and ordering another or paying the cost myself if applicable so leave it out.
I understand the transport issues of packaging & heat packs used etc.
Are you saying so the shop should still sell them since we the 'educated' aquarists wont buy them its ok from the 'uneducated' newbies to the hobbie to be stung with them?
What else can they do in fairness, destroy them? Kinda silly as the fish may live fruitful lives granted. Sent them back omg Airmail to the UK in the 21st centurary unheard of, its a one way system is it?
Should the shop accept the loss and sort out their supplier issues or pass the buck to some schmuck tho?

Eitherways as another lad says he visited 2 sponsor shops today and 2 had Dyed fish, so it was an accidental shipment is a moot point!

Nice try no ceegar amigo

I know very well how fish get to petshops! They do not get their own learjets.
It may not be a coincidence, but maybe it is! How do I know and how do you know?! Maybe the supplier is the same and they put in an order that was dispatched on the same day with (for example) dyed blood parrots, instead of normal ones.
As I already said FISH ARE NOT POSTED! They are sent to the airport by the supplier. Put on a DHL or UPS plane or whatever. The fish are then flown to Ireland and brought to your LFS by a courier or they are collected by the staff of the petshop at a freight depot.

It would be a bit complicated for the LFS owner to organise this in reverse to send back a few fish!
He would either be faced with destroying the fish or getting them off his premises ASAP.

Saying they are posted implies that they are popped in a jiffy bag and put in the letter box with a stamp. Arriving at their destination 48 hours later. This does not happen.