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Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
Buying mature Fish.
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stretnik (stretnik)
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06 Apr 2011 19:51 #1
by stretnik (stretnik)
Does buying mature specimens of Fish not cheat you out of value given the fish, like Plecos, Frontosas, Oscars and the like are probably half their total age or nearly so?
Kev.
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06 Apr 2011 20:01 #2
by SSS (Sion S)
I agree totally, I stopped buying mature fish about 2-3 years ago when I had 4 adult mbunas all die the night I put them in the tank.
Plus Its good to watch them grow up!
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06 Apr 2011 20:02 #3
by denverbre (Denver Breslin)
I tend to agree Kev.
I much rather the thought of buying juvenile fish and watching them grow.....
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06 Apr 2011 21:33 #5
by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Not as easy to do when you are small fish fan like me!! I often have to buy mature fish for their size as juvenilles are often too small!
But otherwise,yeah Id buy young if at all possible.Ironically alot of rams arent always young when you buy them so Ive been told.
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07 Apr 2011 05:55 #6
by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
i can see you point Kev but i must admit to at times liking to buy mature fish purely for breeding purposes ( if a mat of a pair dies etc) and the challenge of breeding them, especially if dealing with fish like frontosa etc which can take years to become sexually mature..
Fishkeeping the Only way to get wet and wild
currently 25 tanks, and breeding is the aim of everything i keep
location:Limerick
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07 Apr 2011 07:48 #7
by stretnik (stretnik)
Unless you know the owner of the specimen personally or trust the seller completely, how can you be sure of the age? Fish, like every animal including , Humans decrease in fecundity the older they get, can anyone buying a Fish with the intention to breed from it, be sure it isn't being sold because it has become spent from being used as a breeder, what do Breeders do with the Breeding stock they are finished with?
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07 Apr 2011 08:55 #8
by igmillichip (ian millichip)
I prefer, in general, to buy my fish as youngsters (but not too young or small as to be a increase in decreasing viability).
Watching the colour change of Tropheus dubs (they look much better as little polka dotted fiends), or the Uaru, as they grow.
In fact, I would much prefer to get Uaru as young as possible and then I have the option to feed them properly (uber spirulina and vegetable matter) to prevent poor development.
ian
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07 Apr 2011 09:49 #9
by JohnH (John)
This thread really (in a roundabout way) links well with Jim's "Fish Growth" one.
In years gone by my preference was always to buy younger fish (generally a lot cheaper) then grow them on...but these days I'm less inclined to go down that route.
Indeed, it seems that young fish are becoming less and less available - apart from those bred locally (in Ireland) and bought from the breeder.
My observation (and that's all it is) is that importers will mostly only supply larger fish (with the possible exception of Angels and Discus...plus a few other exceptions) and smaller sized fish are often not bothered with at all!
I realise this is a rather all-embracing statement but when last did you see any Tetras, for example, at anything other than full size? (Not counting Congo and other non-South American Tetras) this opinion is open to many contradictions and they're all welcome...but that's my belief.
Really, at the end of the day we can only buy what is available and I sincerely believe a much better quality of fish could re-appear if shops bought more from local breeders than buy dubious far-eastern sourced fish.
John
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.
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It's a long way to Tipperary.
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