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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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03 Jun 2011 00:43 - 03 Jun 2011 00:46 #1 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
I'm very new to keeping fish and from reading the forum's it's clear that i should have done a bit of research into it. I was always under the impression that you get some fish , get some water and bob's your uncle.

I was recently doing work in the garden and decided to make a pond and maybe get some fish. Not to sure what the water volume is but it's quite small only about 1.5m W 1.0m L and 0.5m D. I got some pond plants for it and a filter, but as i didnt reseacrh at all I didnt cycle the pond before I added fish. at the moment i have 2 gold fish in there and 2 shabunkin all around 10-12 cm long.They are in there now just over 2 weeks and seem to be doing ok. Is there anyway for me now to do the things i probably should have done at the start, now that the fish are in the pond?Or have I doomed these poor creatures to a short life?

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03 Jun 2011 02:18 #2 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
this should help you a while back i did an article on starting a fish setup heres the link have a good read and ask any questions you like,
www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/fforu...-your-first-aquarium
the principle is the same be it tropical or coldwater as yours is, but keep up the water changes starting up with fish in it (ie not yet cycled) i'd go with a 20 to 30% weekly water change after that keep up a min of 10% weekly and all should be ok

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03 Jun 2011 08:38 #3 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Welcome aboard,

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03 Jun 2011 08:58 #4 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Ok thanks for that sheag35,

So you recomend water chages of 20-30% once a week and I should be ok? or is there more I should be doing? Should i buy a water testing kit so i know what kind of levels I'm dealing with?

I got some floating plants in the fish shop for the pond but I want to get some rooted one's as well should I hold off on these until the pond is cycled?And if I do get rooted plants what kind of base should I put on the bottom of the pond? will garden moss peet do or do I have to buy special fish pond stuff? At the moment I just have gravel at the end of the pond, should I replace this?

Thanks alot.

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03 Jun 2011 09:41 #5 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re: Hi everyone
You're very welcome here Wylam.
For even a small pond you will have a much more stable environment water-wise than a tank so you needn't be doing such drastic water changes.
Those are much more important in a more confined area of an indoor tank.
Your pond is a very small one but being outdoors (presumably) the temperature will be less of an issue (although the Summer seems to have finally arrived here in the Midlands).
I really don't think you should add to your fish stocks for the time being - if at all, Goldfish (including shubunkins) are pretty fast growers and emit a lot of waste to boot.
I do suggest you get a small outdoor pond pump and filter though as this would be the secret to getting the pond water properly cycled...without an effective filtration system cycling cannot properly happen (although plants can absorb a lot of nitrates - but there's little hope of the ammonia produced from the fish's waste actually getting turned into nitrates).
Many pond plants these days are sold in small 'open' mesh-type pots and can be submerged into the water 'as-is' I really don't think you need to be worrying about adding any further substrate than the gravel you already have, plant roots will grow through the mesh and find their way into the gravel, rest assured.
Until you do get some form of filtration running be as frugal as you can with the fish food - once a day is sufficient - don't feed them more than you see them consume (although they will 'eat and eat'!!!) so limit it to what they eat in a few minutes.
Sorry, I just re-read your post and see you do already have a filter.
Do you have water test kit?
Really you only need individual one - Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate...you could go for the pH as well, but Goldfish are pretty tolerant creatures and will live in pretty much all water - but preferring slightly higher pH.
I hope this helps - any more questions...fire away, always someone to give advice here.
John

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03 Jun 2011 10:30 #6 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Cheers it's good to know that all is not lost as my 4 year old is getting quite attached to the fish(which she has named ''nemo'', yes all of them lol)And yes i have had the filter since the fish were put in 2 weeks ago.

I placed a large slab of rock over one corner of the pond so they have a place to hide and get out of the sun(not that we get alot)But i definatly want to get more plants so they have a bit more of an interesting place to explore than just and empty space.I'll get a water testing kit today and check the level's , can u tell me what the levels are ideal for gold fish?I live in a hard water area so there is alot of lime in the water will this effect the fish in any way?And one final question I have is about frog's. We have quite alot of frog's that live in the long grass in the garden, and I'm wondering will they pose and danger to the life in the pond, ie bring any nasty stuff in to the pond that will kill the fish , or is it ok to just let them roam free?

Thanks again

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03 Jun 2011 10:56 #7 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re: Hi everyone
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Nemo, that's really great.

That's an excellent idea to have a bit of a 'retreat' for all four.
The readings for the ammonia should always be as near to 'nil' as possible - better to be zero really.
Likewise for nitrites.
pH for Goldfish is better on the higher side of neutral (pH7) and since your water is hard and 'limey' this will be 'just the job'...but if you plan on topping-up with rainwater you might need to keep an eye on this over time.

Frogs - you either love 'em or loathe them!
The ones which visit my pond have never brought anything untoward with them (other than themselves) so you can leave them to come and go, I think.
What might be a problem would be if any 'pass on' and their corpses remain in the water...just keep and eye open for such things - likewise land snails and slugs which fall in and mightn't be able to escape and drown. These, too, can pollute the water.
Back to frogs - I have read of males (in the absence of females) 'latching onto' pond fish (amorous little lads that they are) and causing problems - but I think this was more towards 'fancy' goldfish and I have never personally witnessed this.

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03 Jun 2011 16:14 #8 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
LOL ty for all the info got my water tester kit now so im going out side to check the levels.

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03 Jun 2011 19:16 #9 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
That pond is not deep enough to keep goldfish in over the winter, they would need to be brought inside, they need at least .75m or 30 inches, especially the last couple of winters we've had

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03 Jun 2011 19:32 #10 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
That is true the last few winters we have had have been very cold.

The dimentions for the pond were just aproximate's I must get the proper size's,I have made a cover for the pond would this be enough to keep off the frost do you think? If the pond were to freze over do u go out and break the ice or will the fish be ok until it thaw's?

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03 Jun 2011 20:23 #11 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re: Hi everyone
The water in my pond didn't freeze all that deeply last winter or the winter before.
I did keep the pump running all winter though (something else the experts say shouldn't be done - I think it didn't freeze much more than four inches.
A half-metre depth isn't ideal, but I would chance leaving them out - especially if you have made a cover.
Whatever you do do - dont break the ice! It causes terrible vibrations in the body of water under it and can damage the fish.
The best thing to do would be to put a large saucepan of boiling water onto the ice and eventually (you might need to 'refresh' the water in it) it will melt a hole through it.
This will allow the gases which have built up underneath it to escape.
Some people use a ball which sits in the water surface and the ice supposedly forms all around it...I think the ice here hasn't read that advice as the ice formed and pushed the ball up until it sat in top of the ice!
You can buy a pond heater which might be worth considering in a small pond such as yours and mightn't be too prohibitive to run...but for now just enjoy the fish through the nicer weather.
Oh yes - you don't feed outdoor fish when the water gets cold - below 50f is reckoned to be the cut off point. They will still eat the food at lower water temperatures, but seemingly it passes right through them undigested (they don't seem to be able to digest food below this temperature) and can then pollute the water.

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04 Jun 2011 18:16 #12 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Thanks for that john,

Yeah i'll start to worry about the frost when it come's around, we've had problems the past few years with our house water freezing, so im getting quite used to insulating water tanks and pipe's and what not.I did my water tests and Nitrite and nitrate are near 0 but the PH is 8.5 is this too high? and if so what can be done to bring down the PH.

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04 Jun 2011 19:00 #13 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)

I did keep the pump running all winter though (something else the experts say shouldn't be done - I think it didn't freeze much more than four inches.


John


I always keep my pump running and there was a lovely opening of about a foot square under the waterfall with 5 - 6 inches of ice everywhere else, have pics somewhere, i'll try and dig them out. Also, I dont like the idea of filter not running for 3/4 months. I think I disagree with the experts on this one.

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05 Jun 2011 09:07 #14 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)
Great advise there from the lads.
Welcome along firstly Wylam, great to see another Corkman in the forum!
Firstly,what is the ph of your tap that you added the water from.
A PH of 8.5 is quite high, are you on the mains? Im no expert on pond care at all,however it sounds like your hard water is the problem. Is your pond done on a liner or concrete?

You could filter your water over peat to lower the PH, but Im not sure that would be practical for a pond. Some of the pond experts here will know no doubt!

Anyhow, welcome along, what part of Cork are in?

Gavin

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05 Jun 2011 13:15 #15 by andrewo (andrew)
Replied by andrewo (andrew) on topic Re: Hi everyone
Welcome to the forums; your ph is a little high indeed; maybe would suit you when you move on to marines next time :)

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05 Jun 2011 16:01 #16 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
welcome mate :D

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05 Jun 2011 18:58 #17 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Hey gavin I'm from bishopstown but living near macroom atm, I'm living in the middle of nowhere so im not on the mains. the pond is one of the plastic moulds u can buy, as i didnt want to spend to much on my first effort and when i priced the pond liner it was double the cost.

I just have one more question for the pond guys out there, I got some nice looking rocks and stone's at the beach today ,is it safe to put them in the fresh water pond? or is that just asking for trouble lol?

cheers guys.

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05 Jun 2011 19:09 #18 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
hows it going i dont know much about this but i know a few off the lads told me not to use them as off salt levels or something like that and another thing is u can do a test on the rocks if u put vinger on the rock and put it in water and if it bubbles you can not use it now as i said i havent done this but a good few of the lads on the forum says it works

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05 Jun 2011 19:25 #19 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)

I just have one more question for the pond guys out there, I got some nice looking rocks and stone's at the beach today ,is it safe to put them in the fresh water pond? or is that just asking for trouble lol?

cheers guys.


I use rocks from the seashore in my mbuna setup. After a good washing with the power hose to remove all trace of salt,algae etc, they're fine. I've had no problems anyway. The one thing you need to watch for, is if there is any trace of metal or metallic specs in the rock you should avoid as this will be harmfull to the fish.

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05 Jun 2011 20:28 #20 by wylam (Stuart Sexton)
Yeah cheers guys i did a bit of research on it and as christy said if they get a good wash and a soak in fresh water they are fine. and as for the viniger test it says thats to test for limestone in the rocks , from what i've read anyway.

Thanks for the replies guys.

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