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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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03 Feb 2010 02:48 #1 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)

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03 Feb 2010 03:01 #2 by JohnH (John)
This is a real tragedy and was spoken of at length when the project was first mooted.

"Environmental groups say the Belo Monte project...would damage the sensitive ecosystem and threaten some fish species".

Sadly, not the least of which are the legendary L-046 Zebras.

But the real losers long-term are the South American native Indians, I was watching a programme called 'Amazon' where Bruce Parry went there and lived with the Natives, who are really mistreated people who are being marginalised through no fault of their own - all for trying to live their lives in the way they have for generations.

But that's progress, I suppose.

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03 Feb 2010 03:40 #3 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
Tragic doesnt sum it up. I too saw that amazing documentary and I was touched by just how humble and freindly the natives were to him and the crew. I doubt if he was to go back he would recognise the place when this thing goes up. I really hope that the project is properly monitored and any and all action is taken to minimise the impact on the ecosystem and the indians that inhabit it, some of which have never seen an outsider, let alone a bulldozer.


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03 Feb 2010 09:27 #4 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Our success as a species is everything elses' demise as a result.

The west deforested millions of square miles of hardwood and softwood forests in the past for houses, arable land and for grazing, all to support burgeoning population growth, now the African & south American countries want to have a slice of the pie and the west tells them they shouldn't. We can blame ourselves for wanting Teak furniture, Gates, Doors etc.

I'm afraid, it can only be managed, or slowed down but it's progression is unstoppable, Humans will, invariably live in a less diverse, less interesting world in the future until something happens to stop our destructive march against nature.

The same kind of thing is happening in other less developed parts of the Globe, TV has it's part to play, showing indigenous people the bling of the west and they say, oooh, I'll have a bit of that.... sorry, got rambling again...
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03 Feb 2010 09:52 #5 by tom3179 (Tomasz Roj)
green lungs of the World will slowly dissapear i see.. sad.. amazon forests will be gone if industry will make invasion in to those sensitive ecosystems which aren't even explored well.
.. One step will affect on whole globe.
I have to ask Ivan Mikolji from aquatic-experts how he see future..

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03 Feb 2010 20:59 #6 by JohnH (John)

The same kind of thing is happening in other less developed parts of the Globe, TV has it's part to play, showing indigenous people the bling of the west and they say, oooh, I'll have a bit of that.... sorry, got rambling again...
Kev.


I do agree, but those particular Native Indians in the Rio Xingo area are actually only wanting things to stay as they are (or more correctly, were)...they don't appear to be wanting the 'Civilised' World's luxuries. In the documentary I saw on BBC TV the Indians were only asking for us to support their plight. They seemed perfectly content with things as they had been.. They used to collect Brazil Nuts locally to sell to get some currency to buy the sorts of essentials they couldn't barter for but now, due to intensive logging they have to travel for (I hope I'm right here) days to find trees to collect enough Nuts for their needs.

Like Jay said, it really was touching and very poignant how friendly and welcoming the natives were...all those people with hardwood doors, window frames and toilet seats have a lot to answer for!!!

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03 Feb 2010 21:24 #7 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Hi John

Sorry, my bling ref was a generalisation, I should have made that clear.
I respect anyone's desire to remain as they are, it's a more sustainable existence than ours and impacts less on the environment, I was really referring to places like those countries that are over populated and increasing their requirements for land, fossil fuels etc. The indigenous tribes of less well known parts of Rainforests etc must be allowed to continue, uninterrupted by money grabbing capatalist concerns.

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03 Feb 2010 21:36 #8 by JohnH (John)
No, I agree entirely with your comments, I just wanted to try to emphasise the difference between the greed of the people you mention and the sincerity of the Natives in that particular region, I wasn't trying to undermine your observations at all.

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03 Feb 2010 21:42 #9 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Oh no worries John, I knew what you meant, I didn't take any negative connotation from what you said in the least, what puzzles me is what it takes for like minded people to go over to the " other " side and want to plunder through everything natural and beautiful in the world, you can be sure, if someone drove a Digger through their beautifully manicured gardens, someone would be made to pay.

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