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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
Built in Tank in My house
- fishmad99 (Mattie Canty)
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10 Feb 2012 04:05 #1
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I am about to start building a new house (to live in) and have 'permission' to build in a fish tank into the wall of the kitchen. I am hoping for 400-500 liters, it will be visible for both sides, looking from the hallway into the Kitchen.
Has anybody done this before? Any recommendations on the type of tank and how I will go about setting this up. I will need to talk to the builder very soon as they are starting into the foundations today.
I know the request is vague but I am hoping this will spark ideas not questions about the specifics i have in mind.
Thanks in advance for you suggestions.
Has anybody done this before? Any recommendations on the type of tank and how I will go about setting this up. I will need to talk to the builder very soon as they are starting into the foundations today.
I know the request is vague but I am hoping this will spark ideas not questions about the specifics i have in mind.
Thanks in advance for you suggestions.
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10 Feb 2012 19:41 #2
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give seahourse and a few off the other Sponsors a buzz mate and ask for a quote
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10 Feb 2012 23:08 #3
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Howdy!
I would suggest you IMMEDIATELY tell the builders that there is going to be a 500-1k Kg load at the point where they expect a wall that probably will be non load-bearing, or if they expect it to be load-bearing, that it will not be (load-bearing) any more. It is far more important that they know your plans before the foundations are laid, so any re-inforcements can be included in the steel-work before the concrete sets.
(p.s. WTF is Dazzy doing drumming with the 'lan on the LLS?. Confused.)
I would suggest you IMMEDIATELY tell the builders that there is going to be a 500-1k Kg load at the point where they expect a wall that probably will be non load-bearing, or if they expect it to be load-bearing, that it will not be (load-bearing) any more. It is far more important that they know your plans before the foundations are laid, so any re-inforcements can be included in the steel-work before the concrete sets.
(p.s. WTF is Dazzy doing drumming with the 'lan on the LLS?. Confused.)
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11 Feb 2012 03:37 #4
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currently 25 tanks, and breeding is the aim of everything i keep
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as murph say make sure your wall can handle the load a tank of that size can weigh 100kg empty add 400-500 litres of water and thats another 400-50kgs of weight, then add your substrates weight, decorations etc you could be in and around 800+kgs of weight... then you have to consider access for maintenance into the tank (above it, i'd recommend at least 12" spare above) and placement of external filters or sump if your going that way below, also you have to consider power points to run your equipment again i'd recommend these above the water level purely for safety's sake... i haven't done this but have sure thought about it, post a step by step of it, it would make interesting reading
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11 Feb 2012 08:07 #5
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Have u considered the width of the tank? I presume it will be at least 2ft (600mm) wide?As murph said when the builders find out they could make the wall non load bearing, but!! most non load bearing walls will only be block on edge which is 4 inches(100mm) wide. putting this tank between the kitchen and hallway will drastically reduce the size of one or both.
I wouldn't worry about the weight of the tank effecting the foundations , because how many people have similar size tanks in houses that were not specifically designed for them.And weather the wall is load bearing or not a couple of rsj's or header beams won't take long to sort it out.just don't let the builder make a big deal about this to try and get more cash out of you, say it to your engineer/architect and get him to modify the plans.
Cheers stuart.
I wouldn't worry about the weight of the tank effecting the foundations , because how many people have similar size tanks in houses that were not specifically designed for them.And weather the wall is load bearing or not a couple of rsj's or header beams won't take long to sort it out.just don't let the builder make a big deal about this to try and get more cash out of you, say it to your engineer/architect and get him to modify the plans.
Cheers stuart.
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11 Feb 2012 09:33 - 11 Feb 2012 09:36 #6
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Thanks for the advice so far.
I have already spoken with the Engineer about this at planning stage (as a concept) so no worry from the structural integrity side. I have planed for power points, water supply, drain to make easy water changes, all are planned for that location. Weight bearing shouldn't be ab issue as it will be on a concrete floor and there is a foundation under the wall so all that should be fine.
It will hang out into the hall, but in a position under the stairs so I am planning in putting a fake wall (Stud partition) to make the wall on the hall side flush with the other side of the tank, that should make it aesthetically pleasing and that will give mea loads of room to put external filters etc. I would plan to put press style doors over the tank to to let me get at it for water changes etc.
Does anybody have any suggestions as to a make of tank that will suit this type of set-up. I would prefer to stick to 'off the shelf' rather than go custom built as it should keep cost down, all I ever heard about custom built tanks was they are expensive.
Again thanks and keep the ideas flowing all is helpful.
I have already spoken with the Engineer about this at planning stage (as a concept) so no worry from the structural integrity side. I have planed for power points, water supply, drain to make easy water changes, all are planned for that location. Weight bearing shouldn't be ab issue as it will be on a concrete floor and there is a foundation under the wall so all that should be fine.
It will hang out into the hall, but in a position under the stairs so I am planning in putting a fake wall (Stud partition) to make the wall on the hall side flush with the other side of the tank, that should make it aesthetically pleasing and that will give mea loads of room to put external filters etc. I would plan to put press style doors over the tank to to let me get at it for water changes etc.
Does anybody have any suggestions as to a make of tank that will suit this type of set-up. I would prefer to stick to 'off the shelf' rather than go custom built as it should keep cost down, all I ever heard about custom built tanks was they are expensive.
Again thanks and keep the ideas flowing all is helpful.
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11 Feb 2012 09:58 #7
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Clearseal have a large range of "off the shelf" tanks, and do "custom" ones at a good price.
Any of the sponsors should be able to sort you out, but as you are in Limerick, call into Kevin at Underwater World.
Any of the sponsors should be able to sort you out, but as you are in Limerick, call into Kevin at Underwater World.
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11 Feb 2012 10:24 #8
by Katherine (Katarzyna Glebocka)
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Ask Frontosa for his advices. His tank is georgeous!! and it was designed with all the pipe conections at the stage his house was built. I think his opinions are priceless.
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11 Feb 2012 11:04 #9
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Id say if your going to view the tank from each side Id go for opti white glass bit more expensive but definitely worth it something like this
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11 Feb 2012 12:00 #10
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very true crusty, and very much on the ball.... why didnt i spot you where in my home town of Limerick, must have been the time of night i wrote my response (my excuse and i'm sticking to it) make sure you speak to Kevin out in the castletroy sc i'm sure he'll do you a great deal if you get all your bits and bobs from him, or you could talk to Tom our other Limerick sponser based in croagh just beyond adare.. but also dont forget to try Aquapaws in Galway for a good deal too i've got many a tank from them always at great prices, and i'm sure if your nice to Petra, or the semi-retired Peter up there they will do you a good deal..
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Fishkeeping the Only way to get wet and wild
currently 25 tanks, and breeding is the aim of everything i keep
location:Limerick
Replied by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie) on topic Re: Built in Tank in My house
Clearseal have a large range of "off the shelf" tanks, and do "custom" ones at a good price.
Any of the sponsors should be able to sort you out, but as you are in Limerick, call into Kevin at Underwater World.
very true crusty, and very much on the ball.... why didnt i spot you where in my home town of Limerick, must have been the time of night i wrote my response (my excuse and i'm sticking to it) make sure you speak to Kevin out in the castletroy sc i'm sure he'll do you a great deal if you get all your bits and bobs from him, or you could talk to Tom our other Limerick sponser based in croagh just beyond adare.. but also dont forget to try Aquapaws in Galway for a good deal too i've got many a tank from them always at great prices, and i'm sure if your nice to Petra, or the semi-retired Peter up there they will do you a good deal..
Seamus
Fishkeeping the Only way to get wet and wild
currently 25 tanks, and breeding is the aim of everything i keep
location:Limerick
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