Black catfish ID update with video

I don't have a photo I seen these in my lfs
Best discriotion is a black cuckoo catfish is there such a thing
It had the very same white around the fins and tail as the cuckoo catfish

Syno petracola is much darker than the multipunctata but has same white fin edges, like john said so many syno crosses now its impossible to tell. As your setting up an african set up than any syno cat fish wont be out of place.

paulv wrote:

Syno petracola is much darker than the multipunctata but has same white fin edges, like john said so many syno crosses now its impossible to tell. As your setting up an african set up than any syno cat fish wont be out of place.

thanks found the photo it is one these Synodontis granulosus the lfc were looking for 12 euro each and they were only 1 inch long taught this was a bit expensive and the lad could not even tell me there name so I said I get some info from here first. Now where can I find prices on these and who else sells them?

john is it ok to use a photo from google as reference to the Synodontis granulosus that I am talking about?

unless things have changed dramatically, they are unlikely to be true granulosus at that price. these have for many years been among the most expensive and rarest fish. all the best breeders have been trying to breed them for years with limited success. 150 sterling + would have been the wholesale price for wild specimens . there is lots of hybrid granulosus lookalikes coming from asia/Ukraine etc. but as they grow it soon becomes apparent that they are not the real thing.

but, if they did happen to be true pedigree fish then they would be a genuine bargain at 12e.

derek wrote:

unless things have changed dramatically, they are unlikely to be true granulosus at that price. these have for many years been among the most expensive and rarest fish. all the best breeders have been trying to breed them for years with limited success. 150 sterling + would have been the wholesale price for wild specimens . there is lots of hybrid granulosus lookalikes coming from asia/Ukraine etc. but as they grow it soon becomes apparent that they are not the real thing.

but, if they did happen to be true pedigree fish then they would be a genuine bargain at 12e.

I think I will have to send a few emails these little catfish really looked amazing
Maybe they would be worth getting if they are not the real thing how much would they be worth ?

James they are lovely looking cats and a great addition to any tank. SH has them from time to time, from memory about 20euro, as derek said these are more likely hybrids. I have 4 different syno catfish in my tank and they bother each other much once they have their own hides.

paulv wrote:

James they are lovely looking cats and a great addition to any tank. SH has them from time to time, from memory about 20euro, as derek said these are more likely hybrids. I have 4 different syno catfish in my tank and they bother each other much once they have their own hides.

I keep a few myself and also have a cuckoo catfish I might have a chat with the lfs they said the bigger ones are the same price as the young ones it seems a bit strange because most places the bigger the fish the higher the price.
I am thinking maybe raising a few with my bigger fry

That's true enough John I be in town later and I see what happens I might get them if they are not gone.

irish-zx10r wrote:

That's true enough John I be in town later and I see what happens I might get them if they are not gone.

pictures pictures pictures

My discription is wrong they are even more odd than what I have said but still beautyful
Video to follow tonight watch this space

i send you the photo John and can you put it up here for me thanks.

JohnH wrote:

100% not Granulosis, my money's on a hybrid - nice if you like that sort of thing though.

John

thanks john i dont know what they are but i loke the colour and the face i have never seen them before

A rose is just as beautiful by any other name, or something like that. No idea what they are james, the only solid black catfish I know of is the giant asian upside down catfish. I think at 12€ each you cant go wrong with them.

paulv wrote:

A rose is just as beautiful by any other name, or something like that. No idea what they are james, the only solid black catfish I know of is the giant asian upside down catfish. I think at 12€ each you cant go wrong with them.

After more looking around on the web these might be the real thing and the only reason they look different now is they are juveniles
I think they got mixed up in a order with cichlids they come from lake tandanikan

My poor head is going loopy lol looks like they might have something to do with these
Synodontis Angelicus Catfish I was told they are Synodontis salt & pepper TB catfish lol
Can't do a proper search on my phone

syno granulosa are being bred by a uk wholesaler and are about 50e each which would translate to 100e plus from your local shop.
one of the main difficulties with breeding this species in the past was the almost complete lack of available captive males. therefore hybrids were the norm in the trade. hormone injecting is/was also rife in commercial catfish breeding.
it is good news therefore that this reputable uk company is producing pedigree grannys after many years of effort and research.
ps
it is not likely that the price per baby, will be less than 100e in the near future (unless some shop is mislabelling them, which would not really surprise me)
anyway zx 10r, thanks for raising this topic as it is interesting and prompted me to do a little research.

James im lucky to own a syno angelicas and your catfish look nothing like angelicas. If only I still had my small tank id buy a few myself.

paulv wrote:

James im lucky to own a syno angelicas and your catfish look nothing like angelicas. If only I still had my small tank id buy a few myself.

When i know what they are i buy them lol they be gone again i get a chance to go back into the lfs

Still don't know what they are but I now own 6 of them
And I also got a deal with some cichlids when I was talking to the manager they said they were after yellow lab cichlids and guess what
I just had exactly what they wanted. They have also agreed to tank cichlids from me once there ready to be moved into a main tank.
No sleep today but it has been a good day for my adventure with breeding cichlids.

Good man james, you took 6, interesting to see what they mature into.

paulv wrote:

Good man james, you took 6, interesting to see what they mature into.

Yes we did a deal with fish so it was more or less a straight swap
they also said they take young cichlids from me so looks like i broke the egg with the local market

Now I see them in stronger light im thinking synodontis multipunctata. Maybe others might offer an opion.

paulv wrote:

Now I see them in stronger light im thinking synodontis multipunctata. Maybe others might offer an opion.

THEY COULD BE CAT SYN EUPTERUS X GRANULOSUS
Synodontis eupterus X Synodontis granulosus

lol cap lock off i get a better photo tomorrow

They ard definitely fish

paulv wrote:

They ard definitely fish

Yes they are related to the Rtc and these are Wtc

If it turns out they are feather fins they will settle in new tank very fast and develop into cheeky little fish, fun to have, you will need a giant tank for 6, ive 3 in my 9ft tank and they still quarrel.