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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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03 Jul 2013 08:46 #1 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
Came across this story after the recent topic about invasive species

uk.news.yahoo.com/cane-toads-wiping-croc...1423605.html#K4dzilZ

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03 Jul 2013 11:13 #2 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
I have mixed feelings about the term invasive, since in a lot of cases there was no invasion involved, they were introduced. It feels a bit like inviting someone in for a cup of coffee and then accusing them of trespassing! That said, I understand the need to be somewhat inflammatory. They need a term that induces the right amount of "oh my god what have we done!" sentiment

"The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life; your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you.They're freeing your soul."

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03 Jul 2013 16:02 #3 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
While we might quibble about the word "invasive" there is no doubt that many countries uncluding Ireland, are suffering due to the introduction of species from other regions. While some are just "not Native" others by their very nature destroy or outcompeat native flora/fauna. Most were invited by colonial governments and landowners. Reasons for their introduction vary. Some countries suffer more than others. Australia and their rabbit problem, is the most documented.
Key "unwanted" aquatic / marshland species here are
at Lough Corrib:-g
Lagarosiphon major (Curly-Leaved Waterweed)
Crassula helmsii (New Zealand Pigmyweed)
Key species on the Grand Canal, Barrow Line and Navigation:-
Lagarosiphon major (Curly-Leaved Waterweed)
Leuciscus leuciscus (Dace)
Hemimysis anomala (Bloody Red Shrimp)
Crangonyx pseudogracilis (Northern River Crangonyctid)
Elodea nuttallii (Nuttall’s Pondweed)
Crassula helmsii (New Zealand Pigmyweed)
Azolla filiculoides (Red Water Fern)
Dreissena polymorpha (Zebra Mussel)
Fallopia japonica (Japanese Knotweed)
Heracleum mantegazzianum (Giant Hogweed)
Impatiens glandulifera (Himalayan Balsam)
Gunnera tinctoria (Chilean Rhubarb)

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03 Jul 2013 17:12 #4 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Invasive does not necessarily mean by way of invasion where invasion is taken to mean "not invited" (it's from the word to "Go" or "Advance" and doesn't have anything to do with invitation).

There is, however, a general problem with the use of terminology in this (and especially within codifying legislation as well).

What is "Native", or "Alien", or "Naturalised" or "Introduced" ? All a bit fuzzy at times.

Some of the definitions rely on giving some baseline time from which the definition is drawn.
Then, it is not just the species but morphotypes also come into this: eg an Irish Natterjack toad may be a certain species that is somewhat "Native" but that doesn't mean one can introduce another morphotype of that species into Ireland.

In some respects, the actions to work on invasion alien species is like closing the gate after the horse has bolted, but the minimum we can do is to try to catch the horse and try prevent others bolting.

Man has done some damage.....and it is man who is now responsible to try to do something about it.
Afterall, a lot of what man has done was not necessarily vital to our evolution and survival (we are allowed to evolve and survive as we are an animal)

...and Yeah, the Cane Toad a pretty stupid introduction into Australia. Someone did not do their job properly in doing a risk assessment (and it wasn't ancient man either)

ian

Irish Tropical Fish Society (ITFS) Member.

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03 Jul 2013 18:52 #5 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
I think the only really invasive species is the one with 2 legs.

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