eu elections 2014

yep it is in the freshwater fish section, I should also post it in the saltwater section and amphibian / reptile section too
what has nessa childers (ex lab?) and paul murphy ( Socialist Party) got in common?
anyone here know them personally?
the have both signed this

www.voteforanimals.eu/site/

tks, missed that section of the forum

Seen this on the OATA facebook page. They are trying to get the word out on facebook and twitter using #handsoffmyhobby and BCA forum. Could be worth sharing to get more awareness out there among fish keepers.

Cant believe their hasnt been more reaction to this thread. Under section 4 of this manifesto it states to impose a ban on wild caught species and to restrict the number of exotic species entering the EU. So in effect even goldfish will be restricted as they are not native to Europe.

if brought into law it will spell disaster because of how easy it will be to classify species as covered.
a starting point for people would be to mail their eu wanabees asking them not to sign it
then attack them at the door, have your questions at the ready
a very good thing to do would be to get the two existing vote grabbers to remove their names from the proposal. so if anyone knows them or their sidekicks tell them what you think... I sort of doubt that either of them really read or understood the implications of the proposal, they just signed because ' people like animals and they may grab a vote here or there

Joe what kind of questions should we be asking them when they arrive at the doors.you know how I love a good 'discussion' with these people as most do not understand half the campaigns they are pushing.
Gavin

Maybe parts of the trade needs to be investigated and perhaps regulated but this just sounds like it has not been thought thru at all.

It would be interesting to hear about how this is intended to be enforced in practice as well as the criteria of a potentiall black/white list.

Andreas

more european bullshit it was a sad they when this country joined them and lost our identity and our ability to rule our own land

Melander wrote:

Maybe parts of the trade needs to be investigated and perhaps regulated but this just sounds like it has not been thought thru at all.

It would be interesting to hear about how this is intended to be enforced in practice as well as the criteria of a potentiall black/white list.

Andreas

It will probably be like the bird ban that was imposed in I think 2007. A blanket ban on all bird imports from outside of Europe. This then raised the prices (wholesale and retail) and impacted on the trade no end. Hopefully ghe politicians will see the light and oppose the manifesto as if not this will cause further hardship in an already stuggling pet trade.

Deaglan wrote:

Melander wrote:

Maybe parts of the trade needs to be investigated and perhaps regulated but this just sounds like it has not been thought thru at all.

It would be interesting to hear about how this is intended to be enforced in practice as well as the criteria of a potentiall black/white list.

Andreas

It will probably be like the bird ban that was imposed in I think 2007. A blanket ban on all bird imports from outside of Europe. This then raised the prices (wholesale and retail) and impacted on the trade no end. Hopefully ghe politicians will see the light and oppose the manifesto as if not this will cause further hardship in an already stuggling pet trade.

I that was to happen I would guess that smuggling of exotic animals would sky rocket, hence worsening travel conditions for those animals.

Exactly alot of parrots and high value birds are smuggled into Europe from Africa and Asia through Turkey and some Eastern European countries.

JohnH wrote:

In all fairness, the Fish trade is of little or no interest to the politicians, they will want to be seen to be siding with the people who can give them the most votes. There are far more 'animal lovers' than fishkeepers (not that most of us have anything but animal welfare at heart) so that's who, in their eyes, they'll need to try to appeal to.

Once they've secured the votes they'll be back cuddling up to the 'animal-loving' farming community.

Well, that's what I think, anyway.

John

But can we as fish keepers allow the hobby to all but vanish without making some type of stand against it?

i dont think there is much to worry about here as far as fish keeping is concernd