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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Wild caught ornamental fish.

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19 May 2016 13:20 #1 by JohnH (John)
A very relevant view...

www.ornamentalfish.org/wild-caught-fish

John

Location:
N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


ITFS member.



It's a long way to Tipperary.

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19 May 2016 16:32 #2 by Bill (Bill Hunter)
I'm not really sure what to make of this. My first impression was that they are heading in a good direction, but when examining it; is it?
I'm certainly in favour of importing wild-caught fish, but it appears my reasons differ quite a bit from what is written in this report. The finances and employment potential don't seem to weigh up to me.
OK, the exporting of marine fish is worth more than the locals eating that fish. We may be doing a great service to that fish, but at a dis-service to other species which they then have to take for food. I don't really think that claiming to support local industry and livelihoods is anything other than patronising. Out of the millions of dollars per year that the fish achieve, very, very little goes to the local that is, in some cases, risking his life to capture it.
It looks to me as if they are starting at the wrong end. Far too much emphasis is put on the people and countries catching and exporting, the area where the least of the finance is realised. So very little "tidying up" is aimed at the destination point, IE retailers, consumers etc. If only one bad retail were to exist - and lets not kid ourselves, there are plenty - then the whole hobby is ruined. It's one bad apple. Also, lets not pretend that all this other employment that is going to be realised is going to benefit, lets say, the Islanders in Bali. It's going to be of more benefit to someone else. The islander is going to have to buy his nets, polythene bags and rubber bands, so that leaves him with even less of his income. A lot of that related industry is going to be carried out by countries with advanced economic finances and workforce, IE Europe, USA etc. Countries that are already benefiting from the trade.
It's sounding like the Fair Trade failure to me, which seems like a despicable method for huge companies to increase their profits.
The analogy of collecting endangered turtle eggs really bamboozles me. If we are demanding what they would normally use as a food source so we can admire them alive, then I'm afraid we are already guilty of endangering those turtles, those people do have to eat. The pittance they receive in return for a live fish will not allow them to import more expensive food, they have to eat another species.
As I say, I'm not against the import of wild caught fish, done properly, I just think that someone has rushed this literature out without rational thought and it is more of a danger to the hobby than anything else. But, this is only my opinion.
Bill

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