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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
Sick Gourami
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04 Sep 2006 07:39 #1
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Hi,
I'm having problems with a couple of my Gouramis which materialised in the last week. One has already died and another is heading the same way.
It started off with a white fecal string, followed by lesions on the skin and then abdominal bloating. The symptoms point to an internal bacterial infection which gouramis appear to be very susceptible to. It doesn’t appear to be dropsy as there wasn’t a pine cone effect of the scales.
I'm using Interpet Internal Anti-Bacteria treatment. Is there anything else I should be doing?. I want to ensure this doesn't spread to my four remaining healthy gouramis. I also have 6 corys, but they seem fine.
I have a 65 litre tank. Ammonia and Nitrite are 0 and Nitrate is 10. Ph is 7.8. The tank has been set up for about 10 weeks at this stage and has been fully cycled for about 6 weeks.
I'm having problems with a couple of my Gouramis which materialised in the last week. One has already died and another is heading the same way.
It started off with a white fecal string, followed by lesions on the skin and then abdominal bloating. The symptoms point to an internal bacterial infection which gouramis appear to be very susceptible to. It doesn’t appear to be dropsy as there wasn’t a pine cone effect of the scales.
I'm using Interpet Internal Anti-Bacteria treatment. Is there anything else I should be doing?. I want to ensure this doesn't spread to my four remaining healthy gouramis. I also have 6 corys, but they seem fine.
I have a 65 litre tank. Ammonia and Nitrite are 0 and Nitrate is 10. Ph is 7.8. The tank has been set up for about 10 weeks at this stage and has been fully cycled for about 6 weeks.
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Ken.
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04 Sep 2006 11:13 #2
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Is the pooh white and stringy or white and solid.
White and stringy can be spironucleus Vortens.(not sure if Anabantoids are subseptable).
Solid white can be intestinal worms. I sell Flubenol 15 which I import from Devon discus and it kills intestinal worms/flukes and all Helminths.
A lot of members here have bought it from me. Its 10 euro plus one euro p+p for one 400 litre dosage.
If you want some I have some at the moment.
Send me a pm if you want some. I am on the northside of Dublin.
White and stringy can be spironucleus Vortens.(not sure if Anabantoids are subseptable).
Solid white can be intestinal worms. I sell Flubenol 15 which I import from Devon discus and it kills intestinal worms/flukes and all Helminths.
A lot of members here have bought it from me. Its 10 euro plus one euro p+p for one 400 litre dosage.
If you want some I have some at the moment.
Send me a pm if you want some. I am on the northside of Dublin.
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04 Sep 2006 11:21 #3
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It's white and stringy, so I don't think it's worms. Unfortuately he disimproved significantly today and I decided to euthanise him. I couldn't watch him suffer any more.
The other four look ok bar one that had the fecal string yesterday morning, but I haven't seen it since and isn't showing any other symptoms.
Hopefully that's the end of it. I'll do a major water change tonight, but not sure if I'll continue with the Interpet treatment. Problem is, I'm not sure what I'm treating.
The other four look ok bar one that had the fecal string yesterday morning, but I haven't seen it since and isn't showing any other symptoms.
Hopefully that's the end of it. I'll do a major water change tonight, but not sure if I'll continue with the Interpet treatment. Problem is, I'm not sure what I'm treating.
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.
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It's a long way to Tipperary.
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Ken,
I can vouch for the effectiveness of the Flubenol but don't have much faith in the Interpet stuff, I used it some years ago and still lost the fish I was hoping to heal. Unless, of course, they have changed the formulation of it?
As to the former, I bought some young Corydoras recently and within 36 hours all but three were dead, I moved the remaining ones to a different tank with Flubenol in and lost no more of them.
I'm sold on it, maybe it won't work with the stringy faeces complaint but I'd be inclined to try it anyway.
I fear that with many Anabantids sourced in the far east you don't only buy the fish...likewise it seems with Angels too.
John
I can vouch for the effectiveness of the Flubenol but don't have much faith in the Interpet stuff, I used it some years ago and still lost the fish I was hoping to heal. Unless, of course, they have changed the formulation of it?
As to the former, I bought some young Corydoras recently and within 36 hours all but three were dead, I moved the remaining ones to a different tank with Flubenol in and lost no more of them.
I'm sold on it, maybe it won't work with the stringy faeces complaint but I'd be inclined to try it anyway.
I fear that with many Anabantids sourced in the far east you don't only buy the fish...likewise it seems with Angels too.
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.
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It's a long way to Tipperary.
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04 Sep 2006 14:20 #5
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Thanks John. I just sent Anthony a PM to get the Flubenol. I think it is worth a try. The remaining fish look ok at the moment so hopefully I may have seen the end of the problem.
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04 Sep 2006 14:22 #6
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Are the fish eating.
I recon its Sv but usually the stomachs should look like this )( instead of () aftera few days. Are they eating.
Octozin can be mildly effective if caught early. If not get down to the vets and get ome Metronidazole. 500mg per 10us gallons every 8 hours followed by 50% daily water changes.
Carry out this treatment for about a week.
Have you fed them Bloodworm recently or Tubefex worms. These can carry parasites(Sv is a Flagellete). Its possible to get a bad batch.
If so bin the bloodworms/tubefex and get a new batch and soak them in a solution of Metronidazole. Can`t remember the exact amount.(A while since I was a Discus freak) but I think they come in 250mg tabs. One tab added to a cup with 2 blocks shoulb be ok. If I remember its ok to over dose a little.
Feed them this 3 x daily.
Normally its not a good idea to feed fish bloodworms afetr an SV attack but I cant think of something that will uck up the meds.
Beefheart usually works but will they eat it?
Red wriggler worms contain natural anti SV meds.(not sure of the right word).
Purge the earth woms over night and feed these to the fish when they recover for a few weeks.
After treatment of Metro and water change, treat tank with myaxzin or interpet no.9 as the fish intestines are sensitive and easy prey to a bacterial infection.
Keep us posted.
I recon its Sv but usually the stomachs should look like this )( instead of () aftera few days. Are they eating.
Octozin can be mildly effective if caught early. If not get down to the vets and get ome Metronidazole. 500mg per 10us gallons every 8 hours followed by 50% daily water changes.
Carry out this treatment for about a week.
Have you fed them Bloodworm recently or Tubefex worms. These can carry parasites(Sv is a Flagellete). Its possible to get a bad batch.
If so bin the bloodworms/tubefex and get a new batch and soak them in a solution of Metronidazole. Can`t remember the exact amount.(A while since I was a Discus freak) but I think they come in 250mg tabs. One tab added to a cup with 2 blocks shoulb be ok. If I remember its ok to over dose a little.
Feed them this 3 x daily.
Normally its not a good idea to feed fish bloodworms afetr an SV attack but I cant think of something that will uck up the meds.
Beefheart usually works but will they eat it?
Red wriggler worms contain natural anti SV meds.(not sure of the right word).
Purge the earth woms over night and feed these to the fish when they recover for a few weeks.
After treatment of Metro and water change, treat tank with myaxzin or interpet no.9 as the fish intestines are sensitive and easy prey to a bacterial infection.
Keep us posted.
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04 Sep 2006 14:30 #7
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All the fish are eating at the moment. The two that died were eating until the late stages. Symptoms were initially white fecal string, followed by bloating and red/white lesions on the body. After a couple of days this was followed by listlessness, not eating and death.
I can drop into Lissenhall in Swords tomorrow and get some Metronidazole. I'm not sure vets in Ireland are used to treating fish. I've had budgies in the past and anytime there was a problem, vets didn't seem to have much interest. Cats and dogs are more their thing.
Thanks for the help.
I can drop into Lissenhall in Swords tomorrow and get some Metronidazole. I'm not sure vets in Ireland are used to treating fish. I've had budgies in the past and anytime there was a problem, vets didn't seem to have much interest. Cats and dogs are more their thing.
Thanks for the help.
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04 Sep 2006 14:36 #8
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Could be an internal infection with a secondary costia external paracidal infection.
Has you ph dropped any significant amount.
Has you ph dropped any significant amount.
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I've been checking the water over the last few days. PH has stayed steady at 7.8.
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04 Sep 2006 15:42 #10
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BTW, yes, I have fed bloodworm about twice a week for the past few weeks. It's the frozen type. Is it still possible to get parasites from the frozen type?
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04 Sep 2006 17:20 #11
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Yes.
Bloodworms and especially Tubefex worms sometimes are harvested from
toxic stagnant pools. They can contain the diseases and parasites that
live in these pools.
I was talking recently to a guy who got a bad batch and got sick fish.
Look at the blocks of Bloodworm if there is ice on top and the bloodworms on the bottom it can be a sign that they have thawed out.
I brought a slime scraping from a live Discus that was fed refreezed beefheart and it contained Strapticocal Bacteria.
Bloodworms and especially Tubefex worms sometimes are harvested from
toxic stagnant pools. They can contain the diseases and parasites that
live in these pools.
I was talking recently to a guy who got a bad batch and got sick fish.
Look at the blocks of Bloodworm if there is ice on top and the bloodworms on the bottom it can be a sign that they have thawed out.
I brought a slime scraping from a live Discus that was fed refreezed beefheart and it contained Strapticocal Bacteria.
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05 Sep 2006 10:08 #12
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Regarding the Metronidazole - I contacted Lissenhall Vetinary Hospital in Swords. They said they don't normally deal with fish problems as advised that I contact one of the specialist shops.
I told them that I got an over-the-counter remedy and it didn't work. I have now been advised to treat with Metronidazole. She was to get a vet to call me back, but needless to say, I haven't heard anything.
Can anybody recommend a vet that knows something about fish?
I told them that I got an over-the-counter remedy and it didn't work. I have now been advised to treat with Metronidazole. She was to get a vet to call me back, but needless to say, I haven't heard anything.
Can anybody recommend a vet that knows something about fish?
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05 Sep 2006 10:41 #13
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There is a vets in Raheny who should give it to you.
Just give him the dosage I gave you other wise he will only give you a little.
Have you tired salt bathing the Gouramis.
Just give him the dosage I gave you other wise he will only give you a little.
Have you tired salt bathing the Gouramis.
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05 Sep 2006 12:15 #14
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No, didn't try the salt bathing. I do have epsom salts if required.
I haven't seen any symptoms in the remaining 4 over the past couple of days. I'll do another water change tonight and keep an eye on them.
If I did get the antibiotic, I probably wouldn't use it until I see more symptoms.
The two Gouramis that died were from the same tank in the LFS so could just have had something that took a while to manifest itself.
I'll keep a close eye on them over the next couple of weeks.
I haven't seen any symptoms in the remaining 4 over the past couple of days. I'll do another water change tonight and keep an eye on them.
If I did get the antibiotic, I probably wouldn't use it until I see more symptoms.
The two Gouramis that died were from the same tank in the LFS so could just have had something that took a while to manifest itself.
I'll keep a close eye on them over the next couple of weeks.
Regards,
Ken.
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