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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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08 Feb 2006 07:31 #1 by Pablo (Pablo -)
Im looking for a big piece of bogwood to use as a center piece for a Trigon 190... so it has to be tall (12"+) and wide (good radius)... something like a tree root... does anybody have or know where i can get something like this?

Thanks!
Pablo

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08 Feb 2006 07:48 #2 by zebadee (zebadee)
Pablo, I'd take a look at shops that sell snakes etc, as they tend to have bigger branches/root stems. They also tend not to be as expensive as the aquarium lot. A word of warning though make sure you steep the wood in water to leech out the tanins for about two weeks.

I went to Baumans and Fish FX recently for wood, ok selection but very expensive. Try wandering around a woodland which isn't pine and take some roots from that?

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08 Feb 2006 08:36 #3 by monty (monty)
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Pablo,

Before Christmas Aquatic Village has some nice large pieces, tall and wide like tree roots. Not sure if they still do or what the price was but worth giving them a call.

I'd be careful about wandering around woods and getting pieces as they could have fertilizer residue or leech sap etc. I did come across an article somewhere - thought it was on PK site but can't find it at the moment - describing how you would go about getting your own wood and preparing it but if I recall you need to start with a local bog... If I can find it again I'll repost

Monty

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08 Feb 2006 09:20 #4 by zebadee (zebadee)
Monty,

I'd agree with not taking any old piece of wood from a woodland area. That said the vast majority of wood sold to aquatic shops which is then sold on to us comes from wooded areas not bogs. The 'root' is boiled in vats of water for about 4-7 days to remove impurities such as the tanins, the sap and the fertiliser you mentioned before it is sold on.

I read an article on the Cichlid forum which advocates:

www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/driftwood.php


Driftwood Basics

by Alec Perseghin & Eric Glab

Driftwood is defined by Webster's Dictionary as "Wood floating in or washed up by a body of water". To the aquarium enthusiast, it is sought after and widely use for aquascaping. Driftwood can be an esthetically pleasing addition to the aquarium environment.




Types of driftwood

There more than several types of driftwood that are readily available for purchase in the aquarium trade. These include:

Standard driftwood - The most readily available and most economical kind of driftwood. This wood is commonly found in North America, besides other part of the world. It is the remnants of trunks or branches that are worn by water erosion or sandblasted by wind erosion. Standard driftwood is available in an endless number of shapes and sizes. It floats and can be sunk by two different methods. The first method is letting it soak in the aquarium over time. The length of time a piece of standard driftwood floats depends on the piece of wood. Small pieces can take weeks, larger pieces take months or even years! A much quicker method is to use a piece of slate that has a hole drilled into it for a screw. We recommend a stainless steel screw which won't rust in the aquarium. The screw is simply fit through the hole and then screwed into the wood. You can also use aquarium safe silicone, but you will have to wait for the silicone to cure. Once in the aquarium, the slate can be covered with either rocks or gravel.


African or Savanna Root - This is probably the second most common driftwood available. It is self-sinking, therefore no slate mounting or extending soaking is needed. It does not have the appearance of standard driftwood. Rather, it is gnarly on one side and quite smooth on the other.


African Driftwood - Not to be confused with African Root. African driftwood looks more like standard driftwood but it's self-sinking. It's more intricate in shape and darker than standard driftwood. Pieces can be quite hollow or have a ribbed appearance. African driftwood pieces are typically hundreds of years old. They command a high price when compared to standard driftwood.


Malaysian driftwood - Another self-sinking driftwood. Close in a appearance to standard driftwood, it typically has elongated branches. An excellent choice if you are looking to attach plants like Java Fern to a piece of wood. It is self-sinking.

Preparing driftwood

Since driftwood is a natural product that is usually found washed up on shores or laying on the ground, it's important that it is "cleaned". The easiest way to clean smaller pieces of driftwood is to boil it. Find a pot large enough to submerge the your piece(s) in (large soup pots and lobster pots work well). Place the wood in the pot and bring to boil for about 15 minutes. Drain the water out of the pot, refill it and repeat. After the second boil fill the pot one last time, boil this for another 10 minutes. Let it cool off, drain and your done. Of course, larger pieces of driftwood will not fit in a pot, so boiling water will not be practical. The next best thing is to scrub the driftwood using hot water. A potato brush works rather well and they are usually available for a couple dollars at your local grocery stores.




African Driftwood African Driftwood

What driftwood does to water

Boiling driftwood will have remove much of the tannins contained in the wood. What are tannins? Tannins are a natural compound contained in the driftwood and they are released into your tank water as the driftwood soaks. Tannins will stain your tank water a light yellow color or when concentrated - the color of tea. The amount of staining depends on what type of driftwood and how much wood driftwood you are using. Boiling driftwood can be thought of as placing a bag of tea in a hot cup of water. The longer the tea is in the water and the hotter the water is, the more tannins that will be released.

Soaking driftwood in a container will also help release the tannins before it is introduced into the aquarium. This process can take quite a bit of time. It can be weeks or even months before most of the tannins are released.

In all plants and trees, tannins are used as defensive compounds that counteract bacteria and fungi by interfering with their surface proteins. There are rivers in the Amazon that are so filled with tannins that the water is stained to the color of tea and very few organisms can actually thrive in this water. These rivers are called "blackwater" habitats. It just so happens that many fish from the "blackwater" habitats of the Amazon seems more susceptible to disease. Coincidence? We don't think so.




African Root African Root - close-up

The most common question most cichlid keepers have about driftwood is "how will it effect my pH?" Answering this question is not easy, but there are a few things to consider. Since driftwood contains tannins (which is also referred to as tannic acid) it will try to lower your aquarium's pH. Your pH may drop if the buffering capacity of your water is low (low mineral content). If the buffering capacity is high, the chance of a piece of driftwood causing a pH swing is minimal.

Driftwood will also tend to soften your water. This is great if you are keeping softwater fishes like Discus, Satanoperca daemon or Uaru Fernandezyepezi. It's not so good if your water already has a low buffering capacity and you are keeping fishes from Lake Tanganyika.

What's that fuzz on my driftwood?

Quite often after driftwood is added to an aquarium, a white almost transparent fuzz will grow on it. This fuzz can appear several weeks to several months after the driftwood is added to the aquarium. Popular thinking is this fuzz is either a fungus or a mold. Either way it's harmless, unfortunately it's not pleasing to look at. Some people have had luck just brushing it off. Others have had luck by introducing algae eating fish, as they will actually eat it. Neither technique will guarantee preventing this fuzz from recurring. The important thing is to have faith, as it will eventually disappear.

Conclusion

Without proper preparation of your driftwood and understanding the water requirements of your fish, driftwood can do more harm than good. But when properly prepared, driftwood can be a wonderful addition to your tank and make you look like an expert aquascaper!


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08 Feb 2006 10:48 #5 by Pablo (Pablo -)
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Thanks zebadee and monty for the info!!...

Actually im looking for Mopani bogwood... i know that initially (first few months) stain the water no matter what you do!!... :lol: :lol:

Dave??? do you still have big (tree root alike) bogwood at Aquatic Village???

Cheers
Pablo

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09 Feb 2006 17:09 #6 by Dave (Dave Fallon)
Hi pablo. Yes we still have a few of the L and XL bogwood pieces at the moment, your best bet would be to call up and have a look what matches your criteria.

Cheers, Dave.

Qui Vivra Verra.

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21 Feb 2006 03:51 #7 by Pablo (Pablo -)
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At the end i bought a couple of small pieces and put them on the tub for a week :!: Even with that they are still realizing some yellow tint.... :(

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24 Feb 2006 09:03 #8 by monty (monty)
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The tanins which the wood give off will fade with time and should cause no problems to your fish. In fact some people like to have their water 'tea' coloured as it more closely matches the natural habitat of some fish. The wood can help pull PH down slighty - this is all you should be concerned about.

Monty.

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