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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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12 Mar 2008 09:53 #1 by newrossman (newrossman)
www.biorb-aquariums.ashopcommerce.co.uk/
www.shop-meeresaquaristik.de/index.php?language=en
www.aquaristic.net/english/index.html
www.swelluk.com/
www.stm-shop.co.uk/acatalog/Marine_Shop.html

The Germans sites are great, fast response to email Q's and in english, also Euro is handy. And turnaround is fast or you get a email with whats delayed.

Meers I think even can drill if you ask in advance with tank order.

Cheers

Ande

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12 Mar 2008 10:30 #2 by JohnH (John)
I suggest you email them all and ask them to become sponsors of the Forum...then you'll see how helpful they are !!!

We have sincere and genuine Irish companies who sponsor both our Forum and Fish Show, this is a real slap in the face for them!!!
As discussed previously Irish suppliers cannot compete price-wise with foreign suppliers - especially the continental ones.
No doubt there will be replies to this telling of how all Irish Aquarists buy their fish from this country - but as Serratus from Aquatic Village points out...they cannot exist by fish sales alone. Where will we all be if, as a result of not enough turnover the shops in this country close?
By all means go to these sites and do your buying but please don't rub the noses of our sponsors in the brown stuff by telling everyone else openly on a Forum which largely exists on sponsorship for its existence, it is morally very unfair in my opinion.

Just my opinion, of course.

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12 Mar 2008 11:00 #3 by newrossman (newrossman)
I will try that.

I always try to support my LFS, but I'm also not stupid, and I have seen some prices for equipment that I would consider a crime against fish keeping :woohoo:.

I will keep ya up to date on replys, but also hope our LFS do bare in mind we can now check prices from elsewhere and dont have to accept being ripped off. :kiss:

A fare price for a fare service, ahh the good ole days when the customer was always right! (showing my age)

Ande

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12 Mar 2008 21:11 #4 by JohnH (John)

...but also hope our LFS do bare in mind we can now check prices from elsewhere and dont have to accept being ripped off.


You will find that in most, if not all, cases you aren't being \"ripped off\" as you put it, for a start most of the German retailers get their stock at a much lower cost than it reaches shops over here at...and that doesn't take into account the higher shipping premium to Ireland either.
Now, the same item reaches shops here and has to be subject to a 'mark up' - this is, after all what the shops are in business for. Bear in mind though that this 'mark up' has to not merely become the shops' profit...there are wages and shop overheads to be taken into account too.
Believe me, if anyone's doing any \"ripping off\" it's the continental exporters and even the manufacturers who are perpetrating this, they decide what price they can get for their goods in any given country and then set that, having been in retail in England for many years I know this happens.
When the Single European Market was foisted onto us - both British and Irish alike - we were told this wouldn't be able to happen any longer...everything would be the same price in every European member state - great, we thought and voted it in. Did prices ever become equalised? Did they ****!!! You only have to look at car prices to see what a price differential there is throughout Europe! But it's not only cars, Aquatic Dry goods as well as Fishing Tackle are similarly inconsistent.

Actually, when I first read your words they were SO reminiscent of those from a former Forum member that I thought he had crept back in under a different pseudonym.
It was only upon reading your other contributions that I became aware that you were talking about Marine equipment - something he would never have had any interest in!!!

I hope this helps you to realise that most, if not all, of the Irish shops are not \"Rip-Off Merchants\".

John

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12 Mar 2008 23:22 #5 by Dave (Dave Fallon)
Well Said John. Valid points. Glad to see theres still a few people out there that have the ability to reason and comprehend.

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13 Mar 2008 00:10 - 13 Mar 2008 00:35 #6 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
I think you will also find that tanks are NOT insured in transit, if they arrive smashed - a good possiblity with the way packages are handled it will be your loss. By the time you buy a replacement they won't be so cheap.

You have to see the bigger picture, if everyone bought their dry goods online there would be no fish only shops here. It's alot trickier buying your fish in the post and even if you do you have not had the oppurtunity to see what you're buying, the quality, the condition even the species - God knows some of the exporters ID's leave a lot to be desired.
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13 Mar 2008 00:31 #7 by LimerickBandit (Donal Doran)
I’m a firm believer in buying from my LFS and I don’t mind paying a bit extra for getting the product straight into my hand but i can’t always get what I want there at the moment im supplying my LFS with some plants he can’t get.

My next purchase will be a pressurized co2 system I would like a 1kg setup,
I can’t get this in limerick, can it be got in Ireland?

Looks like I will have to buy it off the net (not by choice)

Regards
Donal

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13 Mar 2008 11:02 #8 by JohnH (John)
Donal,
Fair play to you, but before you have to buy your co2 unit online try PMing all the sponsors, you might get lucky with one (or more...) of them.

It might also be worth your while asking members who have used this type of set up, look at postings by Platty 252, Zig, Denis (tanks-a-lot), and Darragh. One of those might be able to point you in the right direction, try PMing them as well.

Sorry, I can't help you, I have absolutely no experience of such things...

John

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13 Mar 2008 11:07 #9 by JohnH (John)
Actually I just spotted that this thread, after having progressed the way it has is now probably in the wrong section, perhaps Admin could change it?

John

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13 Mar 2008 20:00 #10 by siocla (Siobhan Cleare)
Fair play to you Ande, I buy a lot online too, I also support my local LFS its just they dont have everything you need especially when it comes to marine equipment. Looks like freedom of speech is a thing of the past here too, its kinda sad I have seen a lot of fishkeeping forums where useful links are put up with no comments from upset sponsors?? whats that about?

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14 Mar 2008 00:32 #11 by derek (Derek Doyle)
Nobody is saying you should not buy online or that you must buy from any particular shop.
What John actually said is there is no good reason to shout it from the rooftops or to publicly encourage others away from supporting their local shop. We are all capable of googling for ourselves for cheap internet prices. So everybody should and probably will continue to shop wherever they get good deals but not post links to boost non-sponsors.
It seems fair to me that the clubs and forum admins should show some loyalty to the sponsors who are helping to support us.

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