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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Breeding tank filter, whats the best

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02 Dec 2011 00:31 #1 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
I have a breeding pair of Angels so ive decided to give it a go,
i bought a second hand juwel 60 without seeing it working first, :crazy: but at the price i got it for i didn't care,
after cleaning it and about to set it up i checked the powerhead and heater was working, heater fine, but powerhead not :evil: so i walked away from it very disappointed

but when i thought about it i said if their were fry in the tank with that filter system they would get sucked into the filter system

so what filter should i use, i have 2 ideas i want to run bye yez

1. the sponge filter, i see a few shops using them but always thought they were sh1te i only use this in my q tank cause their is only 2 or 3 fish in it for a week or so if im getting anything new

2. now this might seem a bit mad but here we go.........
a eheim internal filter big enough to cope with the volume, BUT to have it sitting in a (fry box net)??
to me this would still filter the water and the fry can not get stuck in it

what do you think is the best option as the two angels with be their full time

thanks for reading and any suggestions would be much appreciated want to get this up and running asap

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02 Dec 2011 01:27 #2 by fishmad1234 (Craig Coyle)
Hi jeff if you really wanted the external filter you can get sponge in let s for the inlet pipe of external filters there for having the filtration you want and keeping your fry safe at the same time




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02 Dec 2011 09:42 #3 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Adapted power filters as mentioned above could be OK, but the internal air-pump driven sponges are really the best option.

I actually find that they do a good job (and used for such fish as discus without problem). Remember also that in a breeding/fry raising tank that there will be very frequent partial water changes anyway so the need for over-filtering is not always needed.

In addition, as a safety precaution, have some of the ammonia removing resins in the tank....they will help reduce transient ammonia spikes that will occur

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02 Dec 2011 09:44 #4 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
You could cover the filter inlet with a fine mesh, old net maybe, or use a pop sock or the foot cut off tights or a stocking :)

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02 Dec 2011 11:28 #5 by igmillichip (ian millichip)

You could cover the filter inlet with a fine mesh, old net maybe, or use a pop sock or the foot cut off tights or a stocking :)


what denier rating of the stockings would you recommend? are Penny's cheap ones as good as PrettyPolly. :laugh:

More seriously though, the holes in the Pennys pop-sock 5 pairs-in-a-pack for a euro or 2 are the best as the holes are small enough not to allow fry through but large enough to not impede water flow too much and not cause the usual trapped air-pocket effect.

I'm sure the sponsors would prefer you to recommend one of the 'filter bags' though.

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02 Dec 2011 12:14 #6 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
thanks for the reply lads think il go with the stocking around the filter sounds good to me and no extra stuff outside the tank and it would be quieter

think il go to wexford and get them nobody knows me down their have a vision of an episode of father ted in me head :laugh: :whistle: :whistle:

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02 Dec 2011 12:18 #7 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
cheers ian
whats the ammonia resins in the tank all about, never heard of that

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02 Dec 2011 12:26 #8 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Ammonia removing 'resins' come in various shapes and forms.
From quite cheap zeolite chips (about a tenner a box to treat an aweful lot of water) to specialist filters (polyfilters).

Many can be re-generated for continued use.

They are the type of thing used in ammonia gas-masks and remove ammonia from the water without any biological filtration working. You can get them in nearly all aquatic shops.

You can add them to a filter, or a filter-bag (or stocking of the right denier hole size :) ) or even spread them on the floor of the tank.

I always have a stock in case of emergencies (eg filter breaks) or for transporting sensitive fish.

For a tenner.....it's not a bad addition to any aquarists first-aid kit.

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02 Dec 2011 13:04 #9 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
thanks ian thats some good info fair play to ye well worth a tenner

have ye ever taken off a filter box in a juwel tank feel like im going to break the glass tried a stanly blade on it be no joy

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02 Dec 2011 13:19 #10 by BlueRam (Sean Crowe)
a steel ruler works great to take out the box be careful of the glass also sponge fitler would be the way to ago but i have a 205 on my breeding tank that is cyclein at the mo for my angles to breed in and i will just add a sponge to the end off the inlet would work so see how things ago

best off luck

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02 Dec 2011 13:28 #11 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
a ruler would be to thick on this one its hard even getting a blade behind it

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02 Dec 2011 13:49 #12 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
go on ye good thing after a drawer full of cutlery i came across a thing for holding meat when cutting and big fork thingy worked a dream aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh thank f**k for that


thinking against the filter and socks but a good idea

going to try the sponge in the tank see how it go's

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20 Dec 2011 19:49 - 20 Dec 2011 23:02 #13 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
RE: sponge filter should i get the strongest air pump their is or will a normal one thats around €15 or so do (thats the one im using) fair bit of bubbles coming out of it but its not really strong if yea know what i mean i have a 60l and a 10l running on them about 3wks. but im still having a ammonia slighty high problum and some fry dieing every day, so thats why im wondering if the air pump is not powerfull enough or is it just the case of its to early and the sponge is just sorting its self out being that its only running 3 wks.

im doing a 10 on small and 20 on big, water change every day one tank has fry the other breeding angels
oh and i have air stones running too

got some ammo lock d other day and fish and fry are happier

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20 Dec 2011 22:59 #14 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
just reading this post from the start and i feel a bit stupid now cause ian made a great point about the zeolite chips which i never got, tool, going for them in the morning (sorry ian) should have listened the first time


but now back to the air pump do i need a very good one

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21 Dec 2011 13:46 #15 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
anyone

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21 Dec 2011 14:01 #16 by BillG (Bill Gray)
Jeff,

You should be ok with a standard air pump, there is no need to go top of the range to run a sponge filter.
Depending on the filter, you may require an air stone on the end of the air line form the pump to get the best performance. With a sponge filter is it relies on the air bubbles pushing the water ahead of them as they rise up the tube, in turn, this pulls water through the sponge. If you pass too much air through them, it is actually counter productive.
The best way to get the best out of the filter is to set the outlet pipe just above the water surface for adjustment and then place where you want it in the tank when its running at its best. When the outlet is above the surface, only slightly, you can see the water outflow from it. Adjust the airflow to the filter to get the max amount of water flowing from it. Then place the filter where you want it and it should work fine.

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22 Dec 2011 18:11 #17 by jeff (Jeff Scully)
thats great thanks bill

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