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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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21 Aug 2012 21:58 #1 by ck1 (chris)
I am going to be buying an external fitler soon and priced the jbl 901 in my lfs where i have brought everything and have built up a good relationship with.I have also priced the same filter on zoo plus and there is a fairly big saving (54euro).what would you do i always like to support local but that is a fairly big saving

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21 Aug 2012 22:09 #2 by stretnik (stretnik)
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I am going to be buying an external fitler soon and priced the jbl 901 in my lfs where i have brought everything and have built up a good relationship with.I have also priced the same filter on zoo plus and there is a fairly big saving (54euro).what would you do i always like to support local but that is a fairly big saving


As long as there is no reference to the online site and no details of the prices it's ok, otherwise the post will be deleted, the Site functions due to Sponsors and Darragh Sherwin supporting it.

Kev.

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21 Aug 2012 22:35 #3 by antoblfc (Anthony Behan)
If you check my posts you will find a good debate on the pros and cons of online buying.Me personally I had a bit of a delivery time problem with Zooplus.Altough i saved as much as €24 on the JBL E900 i think in hind site i may have gotten from my LFS.However since buying it my local fish shop has droped the price to €99.If you would like the name of the LFS i deal with let me know and i will PM you (my LFS is a sponsor of this site) Regards

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21 Aug 2012 22:57 #4 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
This thread is a classic example of how f**'@d up this country really is. We are being sc~~#ed every which way we turn :-(( :-(( :-((

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22 Aug 2012 00:08 #5 by JohnH (John)
ck,
I have nailed my opinions to the mast with regard to this subject, but what I would suggest is that you have a quiet word with the Sponsor and tell him your findings. He probably will be unable to match the price but might be able to make a concession in that direction.
However...
At the end of the day the manufacturer/supplier must be held largely to blame here. How can an item be able to be sold from Germany to Ireland at such a price difference that the online sellers can make such a huge cost-cut?
It really IS scandalous.
Goods are sold to retailers here at prices SO MUCH higher than they are supplied to other European countries, although England suffers much the same fate.
A bona fide shop here has to pay much more for the same item and then is forced to pay out much much higher overheads than his continental counterparts have to. This ends up with the Online seller being able to offer goods at lower prices a] because the iten physically costs him less in the first place and b] because he doesn't have the overheads a retailer here in Ireland has to pay to keep his business running at all.
But...
If the item goes wrong, things take on a different perspective - that bought in the LFS can be brought back for service/repair/replacement - the one bought from an online source has to be returned - often then, following a lengthy spell they will (if you're lucky) repair it or even replace it - but don't hold your breath while you wait!
Horses for courses, I fear. My views are plain but not everyone can afford to pay the extra to buy from the LFS - but the concern here is that we are losing shops almost weekly here in Ireland, as well as in the UK, to online sellers - where will we buy our fish from? - certainly not from those same online concerns whose actions are creating the loss of the shops!
John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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It's a long way to Tipperary.

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22 Aug 2012 01:32 #6 by stretnik (stretnik)
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It positively sickening how the Irish are treated, we buy basic models of Cars and they suck! BIG TIME! If you buy the same model in the uK you can see the difference, better and more choices, I visited a LFS in Kitchener and Damsels and Blue and Graan Chromis for 3.50 Canadian Dollars!! Now, you must take transportation, Heating and economy of scale into consideration, we are a small Nation so costs here will always be higher but there are things that are made in Ireland that are cheaper here than at Home.

I think the Irish are just Dumb and complacent, we take everything that is thrown at us no matter what. We buckled under the Treaty, we buckled under the House charge, we buckled under the Water charges so what would you expect?

Cadbury Creme Eggs are more like Robins Eggs, Curly wurlies are more like Shoe Laces but people won't brave it out and refuse to buy them, they just say, sure what can we do? I say..... DON'T SHOP THERE OR BUY THE ITEMS.!!

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22 Aug 2012 08:20 #7 by chambers (Ken Spengler)
Not quite to do with fish, however about three years ago we were on Holiday in South Africa, and being South African myself, I pointed out some price differences to my wife which is Irish. One thing that she pointed out was a bottle of Jameson whisky, selling in a off licence for less than half the price here in Ireland...I still remember reading the back of the label "Produced and bottled in the Republic Of Ireland"

My first thought was, that they are able to produce, bottle and ship it all the way to South Africa, and the shops can sell it than less than half the price here, and still make a profit....Somewhere, Something is seriously wrong!! Prices here are scandalous unfortunately, and sadly that is what forces so many people to shop online rather than support local business and commerce. But I do buy local where I can and consequently supporting local business, unless I feel I am being totally ripped off in which event I will look at other avenues to acquire what I'm looking for. But supporting local business, in this case LFS's will in the long run mean that local business and us the consumers both stand to benefit.

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22 Aug 2012 11:05 #8 by davey_c (dave clarke)
my opinion is look after your pocket 1st if you don't mind the pro's and cons to buying online. for 1 there is a local online shop that would yeild the same savings and still keep the money within the economy (although that makes no odds because they buy abroad :lol: ) if there weren't these online shops then the hobby would be much smaller but going by 1 lfs shop i know of you'd swear they make up their own prices so as said if you want to keep it local ask around what they can do for ye.

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22 Aug 2012 13:05 - 22 Aug 2012 13:06 #9 by stretnik (stretnik)
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My feelings are that with a LFS you see what you are getting, just out of curiosity, what are your experiences with online shopping? Did you get what you paid for? Was it in the condition you would expect? Did it arrive on time? What Was support like if any of the aforementioned wasn't up to scratch?

No specifics as to the Company please.

Kev.
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22 Aug 2012 13:18 #10 by Jambomac (James McConville)

Not quite to do with fish, however about three years ago we were on Holiday in South Africa, and being South African myself, I pointed out some price differences to my wife which is Irish. One thing that she pointed out was a bottle of Jameson whisky, selling in a off licence for less than half the price here in Ireland...I still remember reading the back of the label "Produced and bottled in the Republic Of Ireland"

My first thought was, that they are able to produce, bottle and ship it all the way to South Africa, and the shops can sell it than less than half the price here, and still make a profit....Somewhere, Something is seriously wrong!! Prices here are scandalous unfortunately, and sadly that is what forces so many people to shop online rather than support local business and commerce. But I do buy local where I can and consequently supporting local business, unless I feel I am being totally ripped off in which event I will look at other avenues to acquire what I'm looking for. But supporting local business, in this case LFS's will in the long run mean that local business and us the consumers both stand to benefit.


I think this show's it's not the distributors sale's price and i wouldn't attribute it to vat difference as german companies tend to charge irish customers irish vat. For one people who work in petshops in this country will earn a higher wage than other european countries which add's a knock on effect. We drove these prices up in a way by driving up minimum wage, but as minimum wage has come down prices did not follow.

There many factors that attribute to higher irish prices in general, i wouldn't solely blame distributors there is room for better prices in all irish retail and they would still make a tidy profit.

I remember selling Chritmas trees in Ranelagh for a Family owned Hardware store and the profit was astronomical Each tree cost about 4€ if even and the prices ranged from About €405ft-€100 for an 8ft.
Made about €60,000 for them in a month and if you bought your tree in finglas it was a lot cheaper you'd get an 8ft for about €40. Look at that for profit this was about 4 or 5 years ago but this owner was pure greedy needles the shop is longer there.

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22 Aug 2012 13:46 #11 by louis (David Knowles)
Have ye checked out the Parcel Motel service.great service if you are shopping on line. You can avail of free UK delivery and no more of " we don't deliver to Ireland".

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