Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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reefpaddy (paddy kelly)
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10 Sep 2009 02:13 #1 by reefpaddy (paddy kelly)

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gm fish are now illegal, does this mean we dont have to be careful what we say any more or can the forum still get in trouble if so please deleate this post as this post is not ment to cause any trouble what so ever dor the forum. just thought people should be aware
paddy

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Valerie (Valerie)
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10 Sep 2009 08:01 #2 by Valerie (Valerie)

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Genetically Modified fish and dyed fish are somewhat different, I think.
GM fish have had some of their characterics 'enhanced' by a process which involves manipulating their genes whereas Dyed Fish have been tatooed with laser/needles or whichever cruel process they use.
Are dyed fish really banned ? :woohoo:

Valerie

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10 Sep 2009 09:42 #3 by JohnH (John)

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I think you're right Valerie,
It would appear, from my reading of it, that it is only genetically modified fish which have been (not before time either) banned.
Sadly the saga of the dyed fish continues and therefore presumably the subject will still remain 'taboo'?

For what it's worth my belief is that the Dyed Fish scenario will 'run and run' - more's the pity.

John

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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.

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It's a long way to Tipperary.

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10 Sep 2009 10:12 #4 by fourmations (NIall SMyth)

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Phew!

you had me worried about the dyed fish there....

At least I can still order my arowana!

rgds

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10 Sep 2009 22:13 #5 by Dave (Dave Fallon)

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Could someone shed some light on whether they are actually in fact banned and if so under what legislation and how is it going to be policed?

Can't see how it's going to be practical or realistic. Most of these practices happen in the far east, where's the policing going to happen, there or here?

Qui Vivra Verra.

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10 Sep 2009 22:19 #6 by reefpaddy (paddy kelly)

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www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=2204
hope this helps unfortunitly i dont think dyed fish are included why i dont understand as i think this is even more cruel

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10 Sep 2009 22:41 - 10 Sep 2009 22:51 #7 by Dave (Dave Fallon)

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Thanks for the link

Another classic 'informative' article from PFK, thank god I cancelled my subscription.

Why bother warning the trade when there are no clear guidelines in place for the correct running of the pet industry either, hence why so many cowboys come and go. Makes such sense, instead of making efforts to strengthen bonds between customs and Dept of Agriculture(should there be protocol in place), lets stick an article in a British magazine and hope it gets the message through.

Funny really though, highlight the "republic of Ireland" yet, make no mention to the north, where in lies one of the longest running and largest fish importers in the Island.

(YAWN)

Qui Vivra Verra.

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10 Sep 2009 22:48 #8 by Dave (Dave Fallon)

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To be honest, as much as I agree and oppose the process of dying fish, I really wish people would wake up and smell the roses and realise very little will be done so long as process is carried out in a foreign country.

Regarding the policy on this forum although I'm fully aware of the legal implications should a line be crossed, it seems incredibly foolish for a club(s) to have such a anti-dyed stance to not allow discussion at some level of stockists stocking dyed fish, after all the sharing of this basic information makes no difference, the following action (if any) of people speaking with their feet will. However, once it's protected by a veil of silence it'll continue to be Taboo.

Just my two cents of course.

Qui Vivra Verra.

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10 Sep 2009 23:09 #9 by Ian (Anthony Ramirez)

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does this include louhans or flowerhorns? I must be honest I've kept many such hybrids for years in the past and bred them several times. They are nice fish like my arowanas and only kept solo in a tank because they are very very agressive. Back home we are still keeping them as they are stocked everywhere like goldfish. I keep one still which is a 4 year old I bought as a a fry. I see them here in Dubs every now and then and kept in a comm but beat each other and the strongest survives but it really should be kept solo as juvies

Fishkeeping CV: Co-founded, 1st President of the only surviving Fishkeeping Club (Accredited by Dept. of Fisheries) in the Philippines (mypalhs.com). I have mostly reared tropicals - Arowanas and monster fishes. My oldest arowana is 13years old (died in a tropical storm). Ive since reared a Black,...

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Valerie (Valerie)
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11 Sep 2009 10:23 - 11 Sep 2009 10:24 #10 by Valerie (Valerie)

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fourmations wrote:

Phew!

you had me worried about the dyed fish there....

At least I can still order my arowana!

rgds

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Is it a Burberry Arowana or a Barbarity one ? :laugh:

OK - I agree, it's not so funny in English - works better in French as barbarity = barbarie !!!! :laugh:

Thought I'd share it with you nonetheless ! :silly:

Valerie

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11 Sep 2009 10:49 #11 by JohnH (John)

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Dave:

To be honest, as much as I agree and oppose the process of dying fish, I really wish people would wake up and smell the roses and realise very little will be done so long as process is carried out in a foreign country.

I have to agree here but you will know the excuses offered by Fish Shops: "They were sent as a substitute and were not ordered" (and perhaps sometimes this will be the case.

I have expressed the opinion before that the likes of Club/Forum members can object all they like (quite rightly) but shops will stock what they can sell, and if this includes dyed/tattooed fish then - especially in these difficult times - stock then they will.

Our job, as I see it, is to make newcomers aware of the fact that the processes involved is dyeing/tattooing fish are barbaric and that they should not buy these fish...as you say, voting with feet is a very effective method here, if none of these fish is bought the shops will soon learn not to stock 'unsaleable' livestock.The difficulty lies in getting to potential purchasers before they buy the things!!!

How to do it, that's the question?

John

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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.

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It's a long way to Tipperary.

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11 Sep 2009 14:33 #12 by paulbohs (Paul Doyle)

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I believe there are 2 options.

Put up pictures on this site in a specific topic about fish cruelty of every fish that should be banned. I'd also include a picture of the undyed version as I've seen some blood red parrots (undyed but still man made hybrids) in fish shops i buy from and i'm not sure if these are right either because of their deformed bodies. My own ignorance is down to a lack of information on whats cruel enough to be banned and whats not.

The 2nd is that we get together as a group and walk into the fish shop. I'm sure alot of us are on 1st name terms with the guys running fish shops and I know If we were to say in this kind of group that they either get rid or lose our business then it would be stopped. May not even need a group but it would be best. 2-3k a year on fish and fish related products from me is a sweet little earner for any shop. lets let the good fish shops profit and let the others know we will be avoiding them. Obviously this involves getting to see the the right person.

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11 Sep 2009 16:01 #13 by derek (Derek Doyle)

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i have to say i would agree with everything thats been said so far on this topic and would love to see an improvment in ethics and general quality in the shops. it is my belief that fishkeeping ethics and standards are going backwards rather than improving in these modern money mad times. as john states in his post, if something sells it will be stocked.
formally all the fish shops were small and usually staffed and run by the owner/fishkeeper. people like alf and dave whelan were expert and conscientious fishkeepers and they set and maintained high standards. if a customer complained he was listened to and some action was taken to improve things.
what really annoys me is these hormone coloured mini malawis and the absolutely awful deformed and finless angelfish that are being offered for sale by most shops (not all) to any sucker daft enough to buy them.
maybe it is time we spoke up and recommend and support only the better shops?

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