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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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19 Jul 2013 14:05 #31 by Shane (Shane Faulkner)
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I think a 20 post min and a 3 month wait ya can easily rack up 20 post so the 3month wait will tell if there only here for a quick buck or here to try make it a better fourm all for the donate button

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19 Jul 2013 16:38 - 19 Jul 2013 16:39 #32 by Mike53 (Michael)
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I like the fact the forum is open and non exclusive for discussion, advice and buy & sell.. (never sold anything but have bought items).
Are most people selling items not fellow fish keepers even if they are not regular posters ?
By increasing the posts are we not cutting our noses off so to speak, I mean you don't have to buy off people with limited posts, you can just ignore, it's not like we're inundated with for sale items from non members...or are we?
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Mike
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19 Jul 2013 20:23 #33 by Jim (Jim Lawlor)
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I think a 25 post minimum and a wait time is a really good idea. (maybe two months rather than three, to allow enthusiastic new members to get going).

I understand where some people are concerned that its too restrictive, but the forum is often quiet enough and could easily be overrun with little more than "for sale" posts from people who only register to sell.

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19 Jul 2013 21:36 #34 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
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I think 10 to 15 posts and a month member ship would do.

Some way of preventing the posts from being added before the criteria are met would be very useful and no need for members to feel like they need to police this.

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20 Jul 2013 12:51 #35 by davey_c (dave clarke)
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@ john h

Its quite simple for some of us with half a notion... when needed fully delete the offending thread from public sight and send the offender a pm explaining what was wrong (at least thats how its done on any other forum I'm on anyways)!!
What do you gain from just editing the thread with your words or is it just to show you can because we all know you can... its not as if this sort of thing happens often enough to warrant an example made of the person. Maybe then others mightn't feel like getting involved where they honestly shouldn't imo!!
Its a public forum pal so to gain respect ye must give it 1st so a bit of discretion wouldn't go a miss or is that too much to ask for?
Maybe then the rules wouldn't need to be changed.
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my plywood tank build.

www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...k-build-diary#137768

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20 Jul 2013 13:17 #36 by JohnH (John)
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Just trying to give everyone the opportunity to have their say (unlike on many Fora).

Sorry you are taking offence where there is none but that's your prerogative.

You are obviously discontented with the way we are running the Forum, sorry about that as well.

John
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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20 Jul 2013 13:51 #37 by davey_c (dave clarke)
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The way I see it is you being the main admin/mod on the forum should have the final say and not the general users on the forum. Not so long ago admin and mods were saying about there being no need for nonsence and unnecessary posts taking up forum space but that is exactly what you are encouraging by giving everyone a say when you resumed your position to run the forum then thats what you should be doing and instead of the "everyone".... why you would feel the need to give everyone an opportunity to have their say on an offending for sale thread is honestly beyond me but supose thats just how you role ;)
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my plywood tank build.

www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...k-build-diary#137768

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20 Jul 2013 13:53 #38 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
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I think 10 to 15 posts and a month member ship would do.

Some way of preventing the posts from being added before the criteria are met would be very useful and no need for members to feel like they need to police this.


I think this strikes a decent balance. Someone wanting a quick sale won't wait a month but an interested newbie would not mind at all
"The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life; your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you.They're freeing your soul."

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20 Jul 2013 13:58 #39 by CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
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I think 10 to 15 posts and a month member ship would do.

Some way of preventing the posts from being added before the criteria are met would be very useful and no need for members to feel like they need to police this.


I think this strikes a decent balance. Someone wanting a quick sale won't wait a month but an interested newbie would not mind at all


Sounds good to me too.

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24 Jul 2013 12:13 #40 by JohnH (John)
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I've just been reviewing the responses (thanks go out to everyone who contributed).

If anyone hasn't has a say on the matter - this stays valid until midnight tonight. Sorry again that the Poll function failed us.

It would, therefore, be nice if anyone else who has an opinion on the subject, and wants to share that opinion, does so during the remainder of today.

Thereafter the posts will be collated and any changes made as a result will be made known.

John
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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24 Jul 2013 17:26 #41 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
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I think 10 to 15 posts and a month member ship would do.

Some way of preventing the posts from being added before the criteria are met would be very useful and no need for members to feel like they need to police this.


I think this strikes a decent balance. Someone wanting a quick sale won't wait a month but an interested newbie would not mind at all


Sounds good to me too.


Me three.

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24 Jul 2013 19:33 #42 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
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I think 10 to 15 posts and a month member ship would do.

Some way of preventing the posts from being added before the criteria are met would be very useful and no need for members to feel like they need to police this.


I think this strikes a decent balance. Someone wanting a quick sale won't wait a month but an interested newbie would not mind at all


Sounds good to me too.


Me three.


me four
Fishkeeping the Only way to get wet and wild

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25 Jul 2013 09:58 #43 by JohnH (John)
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So - a brief synopsis of the replies we got on this subject shows us that there are seven in favour of the post count being extended to 25 posts.
Also, we have the same amount wishing for between 10-15 posts with two opting for things to be left unchanged.
So, since the limit is now 10 we feel a rise in it to 15 shouldn't make anyone too unhappy.

Those who expressed an opinion regarding a time frame of 'probationary' Forum membership before which time new members would not be able to use the Trading Section would appear to be wanting anything between a month and three months with the first figure being in the majority.

This will all have to be monitored 'manually' for the moment, although perhaps when the new provider is set we may be able to bring some filters into play which will circumvent this.

As to contributions to the Forum for its upkeep costs, these suggestions have been pointed out to the Owner and he will doubtless reply at some point.

The Rules and Guidelines will be amended to reflect these changes and we will do our best to maintain a degree of vigilance but, please, if anyone does spot anything we miss please contact us via the 'report to moderator' function at the bottom of the page. This will be preferable to a direct answer post since then the matter can be (hopefully) dealt with by PM rather than a potential 'slanging match' on the Forum pages.

We have tried as best we can to be democratic here but anticipate not everyone will be in full agreement with these changes, but to any dissenters we can only say 'we tried'...

John (and Admin Team).
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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25 Jul 2013 10:37 #44 by davey_c (dave clarke)
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I hope it works out for ye's B)
Just an observational question though because I can't remember myself, I presume the post count required to send a pm is 15 or over? Just asking because if it wasn't then the interested buyer could contact the seller directly by pm within their probationary period.... does that mean they won't be able to send pm's within the 1st 3 months of being a member incase their buying/selling or is it which ever comes 1st?
FYI... trying to be helpful here for a change :laugh:
Below tank is for sale

my plywood tank build.

www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...k-build-diary#137768

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25 Jul 2013 10:39 #45 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)
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There's an admin TEAM? :huh:
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25 Jul 2013 11:12 #46 by JohnH (John)
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Thanks Davey... :cheer:
I acknowledge this but the question comes up as to where we draw the line?

There is no physical way to curtail PMs with this set-up, maybe when the new server is activated we can revisit this.

And - thinking about it - theoretically, at least, a seller could be the arbiter of this and refuse to sell to a 'probationary' member. But no-one is likely to refuse the opportunity to sell to an interested buyer so this mightn't get off the ground although I would like to think there are members here who would.

Let's give it a go and see how it works out.

Thanks for your input.

John (not forgetting 'the Others').
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25 Jul 2013 11:13 #47 by davey_c (dave clarke)
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There's an admin TEAM? :huh:


Yea john n Valerie... now I'm saying nothing :whistle: :lol:
Below tank is for sale

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www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...k-build-diary#137768

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25 Jul 2013 11:14 #48 by JohnH (John)
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There's an admin TEAM? :huh:


Oh yes, I'm just the most vociferous (I almost put 'The Most Active' but that wouldn't be too appropriate) :whistle:

John
Location:
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