Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
Our 'friend' is actually being sensible...
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.
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It's a long way to Tipperary.
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- Finn86 (Paul Finnegan)
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Im not bad mouthing pet shops completely, I have explained countless times and I mean countless, but people want what they want, inhumane or not, and as of now a weight is off my shoulders and I am no longer apart of it.
So from experience you cant blame ignorance, because even after being told the hard truth most will still opt for that small cramped bowl becuase the fish will "only last for a week anyway"
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- CrustyCrab (Peter Biddulph)
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Not all shops are like where you worked Finn86
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- Finn86 (Paul Finnegan)
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I can say for sure that close to 100% of pet shops in dublin ( not aquatic shops ) sell small bowls, no filter, etc to make a quick buck. Its not against the law, just moraly wrong and I needed out for my sanity

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I just don't see how there's room for morals in fishkeeping... call me a broken record if ye will but its something that's said time after time with succession and not something I understand I supose. If you were the manager did you not do the orders? I have a couple of friends running fishhouses in small pet stores and they wouldn't have a clue... like I was in 1 and asked for a fish (quite a common fish to us) by common name and I was told "sorry but I don't know latin names".... also didn't even know what he had in stock and he was ordering them... morally pet shops should not sell fish unless they are willing to hire good knowledgeable fishkeepers imo....
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Below tank is for sale
my plywood tank build.
www.irishfishkeepers.com/index.php/forum...k-build-diary#137768
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Was never 1 for reading books and jeasus that article was written like 1 (sorry john). Ended up reading the 1st 2 paragraphs and then skipping down to the main points.... and as I suspected, their questions we have been asked year in year out by non-fishkeepers!! Nothing new at all but yet what gets me is its as much fresh writing material as it was last time it was wrote... I won't say much more though because I didn't read it all but I'd say a few here started off with a fish in a bowl
I just don't see how there's room for morals in fishkeeping... call me a broken record if ye will but its something that's said time after time with succession and not something I understand I supose. If you were the manager did you not do the orders? I have a couple of friends running fishhouses in small pet stores and they wouldn't have a clue... like I was in 1 and asked for a fish (quite a common fish to us) by common name and I was told "sorry but I don't know latin names".... also didn't even know what he had in stock and he was ordering them... morally pet shops should not sell fish unless they are willing to hire good knowledgeable fishkeepers imo....
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Funny and sad thing is that fish don't get the same treatment as other pets mostly because the don't have brown eyes, fur and a wiggly nose. Reptiles and spiders etc. need specialist care (I know, I know... but you get my point) and tend to attract specialist keepers. However, fish fall uncomfortably between not easily anthropomorphised and easy to care for. As such, people find them easy to home but don't seem to care as much when they die. Makes them the perfect disposable pet

"The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life; your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you.They're freeing your soul."
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I must say I enjoyed this rewrite, had both a sense of humour and truth in it.
We have all met the gobshi@e in the fish section of a pet shop. Bottom and elbow spring to mind.
I too wondered who made the decision on Goldfish with bowl deal in the shop where Finn86 managed. (Owner possibly?)
And I did wonder how someone with (at the beginning) no knowledge of fish keeping got such a position. I suspect it was in an other area of pet care, Reptiles or small mammals perhaps. I do think this opens a can of worms on staff training, knowledge on livestock and how fish and animals are treated in (I hope) a small number of pet shops.
I like many others was given a goldfish as a child, and that is what first kick started my love of fish keeping.
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I have excellent knowledge on dog nutrition and health, small animals etc and which is the vast majority of sales, but when it comes to fish they are over looked. Most shops tell you to wait a week before you put a fish into a newly set up tropical tank, and I dont know where this came from. A tank is not cycled in a week nor can it start to cycle without ammonia.
Now dont get me wrong, if any animal in my store needed vet treatment they got it. Its like any job really you agree with some aspects but not all, for me I got sick of it. I enjoyed sharing my knowledge and helping customers care for their pets, thats why I was there, but a pet is a pet regardless and everything should be cared for equally.
Ill also point out I have worked in 4 pet shops since I was 17 and not once was the cycling process explained to me.
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- igmillichip (ian millichip)
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I won't get into a pet-shop dicussion here though; I'm waiting for PFK magazine to publish our "friend's" Top 10 of Top Tens !! (ie more money for old rope from PFK and NH).

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Maybe the pet shop debate could be a different thread. Sensitive topic I feel.
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If I were not a fish keeper, I wouldn't give a hoot about filters or siamese fighting fish or water conditioners....and I guess few non-fishkeepers would give a hoot as well.
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