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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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17 Jan 2008 09:18 #1 by darragh (Darragh Sherwin)
Hi,

As some of you know, the ITFS and the LFKS have been discussing setting up the Federation.
Derek Doyle has agreed to be the interim chairmen until it is setup.
To aide with this, a discussion group will be setup on the forum to assist with setting it up.
If you want to be involved in the discussions, please PM and I will add you to the group.

Regards
Darragh

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17 Jan 2008 20:18 #2 by Gerard_Evans (Gerard Evans)
Great to see the federation started again. This will be an area to have impartial people who will over see the forum and clubs around Ireland.

This is my opinion only i think that each club should have one member who might be elected by their membership to represent their club, Also a member from the judges panel and also Darragh the creator of the forum.

I also think at least once this year all the clubs conveners should meet.

The ifas would then take on any issues that may arise with the making of rules. As in the last few months some things have got out of hand. Also no matter who runs the ifas they should want to provide their services and not be pushed into doing it.

I would also say fair play to derek doyle to being intermin chairman till the ifas gets a proper footing in the great hobby of fish keeping here in Ireland.

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17 Jan 2008 23:20 #3 by KenS (Ken Simpson)
It's great to have someone of Derek's experience pulling the Federation together. I'm sure it will be a great success and benefit all clubs.

Regards,

Ken.

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18 Jan 2008 00:05 #4 by Tom (Tom Brecknell)
www.irishfishkeepers.com/cms/component/o...w/catid,56/id,28116/

The Irish Federation of Aquarist Societies will be formally reintroduced as the governing body in Ireland. Its committee consists of voted in members from all the clubs in Ireland. This makes it a well balanced organisation as all clubs are represented.

The Judging and Standards committee will also be revitalized. What this means for the future is the training of future Judges and the opportunity to train as a Judges. This is vital if we want to hold more shows in the future. Where shows are concerned it means that there will be a much larger pool of Judges to officiate. This in turn means that existing Judges won’t have to Judge at every show and will get a chance to show some of their own fish.

Where Insurance etc is involved for shows it will be cheaper to let the Federation take out the policy and all affiliated clubs will then be able to use this cover to host their own shows. This will hopefully cut the cost for shows allowing more of them to be staged.

A provisional date for a general meeting of all members from all clubs to vote in the committee of the IFAS has been suggested for March. More information will be posted on the forum but a firm commitment to meet somewhere in the middle of the country has been expressed. Tom will try to book a suitable venue for this meeting in the midlands. This should allow members from the Southern clubs to attend.


Gerry,
I hope the above information will clarify some of your questions, this is from Nessa’s minutes after the AGM 2008. I also included the link in case you missed any other decisions mad at the AGM.
Nessa is also retyping out the old Federations ‘Hand Book’ which can be read by all members of all the clubs, allowing everybody understand the breakdown (Committee members, meetings, rules and regulations etc)of the Federation. Hope this helps...........Tom. B)

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18 Jan 2008 11:46 #5 by hh5 (hh5)
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In the present climate I do not think that the SAS will participate.

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18 Jan 2008 12:48 #6 by ChrisM (ChrisM)
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Have you discussed this with your members yet Holger?

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18 Jan 2008 13:01 #7 by hh5 (hh5)
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The present members all agree as far as I am aware of. We'll put it to a vote tonight.
After what happened at the last LFKS meetings I don't see why we should associate us with the the planned Federation where clubs force (founding) members out over a disagreement what happened on the forum. Let the clubs sort themselves out.
The planned federation also needs to be independant of the forum. The forum is bleeding itself dry of their most prolific contributors because there is a set of rules for some people and another one for the rest of us. Have a look on anby of the recent posts. Not one of the SAS members even posts on any subject that could even be considred slightly controversial.

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18 Jan 2008 13:10 #8 by ChrisM (ChrisM)
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Sorry to hear that.Your club is always welcome to join at any time Holger,as are all the clubs in the country.

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18 Jan 2008 19:37 #9 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
hh5 wrote:

The forum is bleeding itself dry of their most prolific contributors because there is a set of rules for some people and another one for the rest of us. Have a look on anby of the recent posts. Not one of the SAS members even posts on any subject that could even be considred slightly controversial.

Holger


I had rely not noticed that:unsure: , any way there has been no agro, for over a week,:) Russells discus post is quite controversial (acid water) but no agreement has burst out (yet;) ) I would say there has been more new members join this last week than in the last 6 weeks put together, quality is more important than quanity besides the word \"prolific contributions\", could be redefined as as verbal diarrhea, if this was the case, but I do think it was the case here.

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!

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18 Jan 2008 21:15 #10 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
for once i agree with Sean in recent weeks i have noticed the numbers logged on have grown and i have made more new friends then in the previous 12 months (out side the club) i for one no longer fear having an opinion and i personally feel i can express more without fear of been made to feel like i am breaking some code.

you don't see as many post going with out reply so things have turned for the better.


AS for the S.A.S not joining the federation well i would sadly Have to respect this. but I am strongly encouraging You all to reconsider!

Mickey Wallace & Cath Woods

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19 Jan 2008 12:31 #11 by hh5 (hh5)
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Great turnout at the meeting last night and our decision stands. We will not join the federation. Unanimous vote. We also decided to keep it a fun club. No more chairman, no committee. And no, anarchy hasn't broken out. Meetings will be held every 3rd Friday of the month in the Kingsley hotel, Cork.

I will be sending out a memo shortly to everybody who was there last night and anybody else who's interested.
Glen and Kate (Fins and Things) have agreed to give us a tank in their shop to set up as we please. I am thinking community set up to attract newcomers.

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19 Jan 2008 12:54 #12 by ChrisM (ChrisM)
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Its a shame that your club will not be joining Holger.I thought you would have been interested in becoming a fish show judge with all your experience or even run as chairman.

As far as I know you can join anytime (even though it isnt actually set up or hasnt even had a meeting yet?) so never say never.

Im glad to see your club will be a fun club.It is the way all clubs should be.

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20 Jan 2008 03:37 #13 by goldy (goldy .)
holdger why have you changed your username?

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20 Jan 2008 12:23 - 20 Jan 2008 12:31 #14 by darragh (Darragh Sherwin)
MOD: PLEASE KEEP ON SUBJECT, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE FEDERATION AND THIS APPLIES TO EVERYONE WHO POSTED ON THIS THREAD
All posts not related to the subject have been deleted.
Last edit: 20 Jan 2008 12:31 by darragh (Darragh Sherwin).

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20 Jan 2008 18:09 #15 by derek (Derek Doyle)
To all interested club and forum members
There are two main reasons why we are trying to re invent the irish federation.
First, we can not train and qualify new judges without the presence of the federation,
therefore making it almost impossible to run future shows.
And second, to take over the responsibility, authority and expense of running the forum.
This should serve to ease the intolerable pressure Darragh and the admins are under esp. with the bickering that plagues the forum.
(Darragh is determined to hand over the forum, so if the federation is not in place then the itfs will have to take it on.)
There are lots of other advantages (some of which were pointed out by previous posters) and no obvious disadvantages in having a strong and independant federation.
At this point it is only at discussion level, so we would welcome any positive input from anybody.
Derek Doyle

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22 Jan 2008 12:02 #16 by hh5 (hh5)
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ChrisM wrote:

Its a shame that your club will not be joining Holger.I thought you would have been interested in becoming a fish show judge with all your experience or even run as chairman.

As far as I know you can join anytime (even though it isnt actually set up or hasnt even had a meeting yet?) so never say never.

Im glad to see your club will be a fun club.It is the way all clubs should be.


Just to get a few things straight:
-It is not my club. We abolished the committee and thus all of us are members. Nothing more, nothing less. And yes, I still do a lot of the work. But that is only as long as the other members find their feet and take over.
-Chairman of the Fedaration? Hell freezes over before I would even contemplate to consider running for it. Sorry, don't have a masochistic strain in my body.

-judge, no interest either. I have never shown fish in a show and doubt I'll ever will. Fishkeeping is the one bit in life where I don't want to be competitive. It's just fun. I'll leave it at that

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22 Jan 2008 12:41 - 22 Jan 2008 13:12 #17 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
darragh wrote:

Hi,

As some of you know, the ITFS and the LFKS have been discussing setting up the Federation.
Derek Doyle has agreed to be the interim chairmen until it is setup.
To aide with this, a discussion group will be setup on the forum to assist with setting it up.
If you want to be involved in the discussions, please PM and I will add you to the group.

Regards
Darragh


Come on folks lets hear what you have to say and your ideas of were this should go add your voice to create a WORLD CLASS FEDERATION.

Mickey Wallace & Cath Woods
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22 Jan 2008 12:44 #18 by ChrisM (ChrisM)
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Well if you change your mind Holger your welcome anytime.

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26 Jan 2008 17:55 - 28 Jan 2008 09:59 #19 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
come on folks the FEDERERATION will be a big step forward for the hobby it will allow both clubs and the individual to have a real say in where the hobby goes. there are so many ways this can benefit us all but if we do not take part!?!, every one every club has something to add so come on folks get involved

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