Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
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Of course, none of this was the OB's fault. He was just doing what he does and I would highly recommend an OB to anyone considering an african setup stocked with the more aggressive mbuna and haps. The colours on these fish are fantastic and they are active and energetic. Anyway, this is just a heads up to anyone thinking of an african project so they can factor in this experience when deciding on stock. They have been known to be sold under different names so here is a couple of images of the OB Peacock so any prospective african cichlid keeper reading this knows what it is they are looking at.
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Thanks for that. Good info to have. I have a spare 55gal setup that I'm about to use for African cichlids (prob mbuna). After over 15 years keeping fish, this will be my first venture into Africans so all info like this is appreciated.
Probably go with yellow labs and demasoni (or other fish that contrasts colourwise with the labs) but of course any suggestions would be much welcomed. Nothing really overly volatile.
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Im glad this was of help to you. Labs are a great fish not only because of their great colour but also because of their temperment. They are placid as far a mbuna go. As for the demasoni, I considered these myself for my own tank but was advised against them as they can be little terrors for their size and a dominant male can become a real pain if he gets thinking the whole tank is his. An alternative could be Yellow Tailed Acei or perhaps some peacocks like Stuartgranti which come in fantastic blues and are pretty laid back. There is a vast number to choose from and there are some very experienced african cichlid keepers here so no doubt some more ideas will be thrown your way.
Keep us updated with the stocklist and warm up the camera

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well done, keep it up.

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I was actually looking at the Acei's as well last week and now that you've mentioned them also I'm really coming around to that idea. Basically I'm thinking of going with a collection of two different mbuna with contrasting colour to each other and who's temperament would be relatively non aggressive - labs being one, and I think the Acei's would contrast nicely with their blue and hint of yellow. I think I'm right in saying that Pseudo's and Labs wont cross breed???
As mentioned earlier, my fishkeeping experience has thus far not involved Africans (mainly SA plecs)so as this is a new venture I'm really appreciating the advice and apologies if I'm highjacking this thread - only it came along at just the right time!
Also, in terms of my 55gal (approx 230 litres ish), could you offer suggestions on stocking levels for my two choices?
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thats an excellent post with great advice jay. i would agree 100 per cent with everyting, including the tips u gave to patrick. the pics are also a good touch.
well done, keep it up..
Thanks Derek, Ill be sure to post more as this tank takes shape.
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Thanks again Jay.
I was actually looking at the Acei's as well last week and now that you've mentioned them also I'm really coming around to that idea. Basically I'm thinking of going with a collection of two different mbuna with contrasting colour to each other and who's temperament would be relatively non aggressive - labs being one, and I think the Acei's would contrast nicely with their blue and hint of yellow. I think I'm right in saying that Pseudo's and Labs wont cross breed???
As mentioned earlier, my fishkeeping experience has thus far not involved Africans (mainly SA plecs)so as this is a new venture I'm really appreciating the advice and apologies if I'm highjacking this thread - only it came along at just the right time!
Also, in terms of my 55gal (approx 230 litres ish), could you offer suggestions on stocking levels for my two choices?
Cheers again
Patrick
This is far from a hijack mate, its exactly what the post was intended for, and your welcome. This too is my first foray into africans and I have a lot to learn. I can relate to your desired choice of fish, very similar to what I had intended for my own setup. I have read that they can cross but it is apparently a very rare occurance so I wouldnt let it put me off.(mabey one of the african gurus could weigh in here) As far as stocking levels go, I would go with 1 male for every three or four females in both groups. Although not huge, they can attain a respectable adult size and they will make for an impressive display. Some synodontis cats would also add some interest and I personally like the petricolas.
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This is far from a hijack mate, its exactly what the post was intended for, and your welcome. This too is my first foray into africans and I have a lot to learn. I can relate to your desired choice of fish, very similar to what I had intended for my own setup. I have read that they can cross but it is apparently a very rare occurance so I wouldnt let it put me off.(mabey one of the african gurus could weigh in here) As far as stocking levels go, I would go with 1 male for every three or four females in both groups. Although not huge, they can attain a respectable adult size and they will make for an impressive display. Some synodontis cats would also add some interest and I personally like the petricolas.
Jay
great advice again jay. could'nt disagree with any of above.
hmmm. i'll be redundant if this keeps up and can retire to race angry old men up and down the shannon.

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