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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

shyness in mbuna's

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05 Aug 2010 09:36 #1 by tippstar (colm norris)
I’m having a shyness issue with my mixed mbuna’s.

I moved my sub adult mbuna’s into a trigon 350 tank there about 3 months ago and ever since whenever I go into the room to either look or feed them they hide underneath all the rocks.

The water temp is around 25.5 and I do a weekly 40L water change and they all look healthy so I can’t understand what’s happening. In the past they were in a 180l rectangular tank and at feeding time where always up at the top fighting for food. I have not changed their diet so I don’t think that is the issue.

Has anybody ever come across this issue and know of a way of curing it. I was reading up about using dither fish with certain types of cichlids but never came across using them with mbuna’s.

thanks

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05 Aug 2010 11:56 #2 by gerryberry (Jeff Daly)
Is the new tank in the same position as the old one???

How does the decor of the tanks differ, just thinking maybe they need more hiding spaces to feel more secure, thus they should come out more.

had something similar in my own mbuna tank, it was positioned beside the sitting room door and every time i walked by they would scatter into hiding. I rearranged the rockwork, especailly putting pieces of rock down low at the front of the tank and it worked a treat.

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05 Aug 2010 12:40 #3 by tippstar (colm norris)
the new tank is in the same room but in the corner by the door.

i added a lot more rocks and caves than before but i thought that was what the mbuna's needed. The rock structure is mainly between the middle and the back of the trigon.

i might try your idea and move the structure out closer to to the front but that will leave a space in the back.

maybe a trigon 350 tank is not suited to a malawi setup!

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05 Aug 2010 14:51 #4 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Are they hiding in rocks towards the top of the tank or towards the bottom (not a silly question), and does each one tend to go to the same rock or not?

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05 Aug 2010 15:03 #5 by Gavin (Gavin)
Replied by Gavin (Gavin) on topic Re:shyness in mbuna's
mmmm tanks by the door believe it or not can some times cause problems,door shutting can scare fish!also heavy traffic areas (like a door) can cause the fish to hide, from their perspective dark shadows moving by can look like large predators. I'd try and add a shoal of ditther fish to help with their confidence. If youre not pushed on mixing I've had great success over the years using rainbows for just this purpose.They love hard water too and are a beautiful fish.(boesmani seem to be the best)

dont make me come over there.

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05 Aug 2010 15:44 #6 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Gavin wrote:

mmmm tanks by the door believe it or not can some times cause problems,door shutting can scare fish!also heavy traffic areas (like a door) can cause the fish to hide, from their perspective dark shadows moving by can look like large predators. I'd try and add a shoal of ditther fish to help with their confidence. If youre not pushed on mixing I've had great success over the years using rainbows for just this purpose.They love hard water too and are a beautiful fish.(boesmani seem to be the best)


The “ditther fish” (as Gav calls them) are very useful with shy fish.
I use ‘ditther-fish’ if needed and where they can be used (and some are surprising additions that work very well…and eventually add that little bit of a difference to a tank, and may even become a nice focal point).

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05 Aug 2010 16:27 #7 by tippstar (colm norris)
the tank is by a door but not really a high traffic room.

they hide down at the bottom of the rock formation. i will try get a picture up of the rock formation if i can.


i might try using dither fish. i have a shoal of tiger barbs in another tank. would they be suitable?

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05 Aug 2010 16:37 #8 by Gavin (Gavin)
Replied by Gavin (Gavin) on topic Re:shyness in mbuna's
naw they are more soft water. go with the rainbows I tells ya! they are big and fast enough too avoid agro too.

dont make me come over there.

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05 Aug 2010 17:04 - 05 Aug 2010 17:13 #9 by dar (darren curry)
a few questions on this Gav, ok assuming he has room (never mentioned how many fish or how much water is in the tank with the rock formations), how many should be purchased and is this a temp solution?

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic
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05 Aug 2010 17:37 #10 by tippstar (colm norris)
i have about ten mbuna's in there with two Synodontis Multipunctatus and a common pleco. They are not yet adult size but are getting there.


thanks for all the help so far

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05 Aug 2010 17:58 #11 by KenS (Ken Simpson)
I would suggest that you don't have enough fish in that tank. I find that mbuna especially become very shy when in a tank on their own or when you have a few of them in a large tank. They seem to feel threatened when in small numbers for some reason. That tank could easily hold 40 mbuna and I would bet that they'll lose their shyness if you added more fish.

It's not often somebody is told to add more fish:)

Regards,

Ken.

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05 Aug 2010 18:08 #12 by tippstar (colm norris)
thanks ken thats good to hear:)


can i add smaller mbuna to an existing setup?. Would i be better off trying to get females or does it matter.

i am currently using a eheim 2075 external filter so was wonder what type of stocking level shound i have?

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05 Aug 2010 18:21 #13 by KenS (Ken Simpson)
You can add Mbuna of a similar size. It's not always possible to sex them when their juviniles, but if you can a mix is better.

That filter should be ok on a 350l. Make sure you add fish slowly over a few weeks so as not to trigger a mini cycle.

Regards,

Ken.

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06 Aug 2010 19:46 #14 by derek (Derek Doyle)
fish suddenly becoming jittery is a sign of a slight drop in water quality or extreme temp.. probably slightly high nitrite or ammonia or a faulty heater/thermostat. dont feed for a day or two and ensure there is no spent carbon pad in the filter.
if adding new tankmates to a malawi set up it is easier to add smaller size fish which are not seen as a threat. if you add bigger fish they will be seen as a threat and will be attacked and maybe killed.
rainbows are a good dither fish with most tanganyikans, haps or victorians, but will be hammered by mbuna. best dither fish for mbuna are a group of the shoaling acei.

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08 Aug 2010 19:44 #15 by SSS (Sion S)
Replied by SSS (Sion S) on topic Re:shyness in mbuna's
I had this problem with a tank of yellow labs. But i always had the plan to have a tank of Labs and Demasoni. When i added the Demasoni their confidence seemed to spread to the Labs and now instead of hiding when someone walks past the tank they all rush to the top corner begging for food

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