L046 Breeding Pair

I hope you are sitting comfortably:

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Just crazy


Daragh

well if they truely are a wild caught breeding pair, you;d soon make your money back but christ that is expensive, recession my bum

I arranged to meet half way:laugh:

Mrs Fispatrick is trying to pick jaw up of the floor while writing this:ohmy:

That is crazy.
Anyone want to buy some L46. I could do with buying a holiday home in the Bahamas.

sheag35 wrote:

well if they truely are a wild caught breeding pair, you;d soon make your money back but christ that is expensive, recession my bum

Don't know about that, they are infrequent breeders, twice a year if you are lucky with 10-15 fry that you need to keep for about a year to get to sale size. They are extremely slow growing.

I saw a breeding group of 3 females and 2 males for £840 and thought that was steep enough, but that is just crazy. I really hope for whoever bought them that they know what they are doing and not just jumping on a the bandwagon with a view to a quick buck and end up with a dead fish when they are not able to look after them.

Daragh

Acara wrote:

I arranged to meet half way:laugh:

Half way to the big white house with the nice men in white coats?

I dont know the seller but i dont think the are original wild stock. They seem small just judging by the bristles on the male. I have young males with bristles that length.
Time for some detective work.

I haven't been able to find out who the seller is or where the fish originated from. Wild or tank bred.
The ban was brought in roughly in September 2004. That means the fish are at least 5 years old. They seem to small to me.
Here is a rough translation of the Brazilians explanation to the ban.

"The national list of the threatened species of the Brazilian fauna of extinguishing is an instrument of conservation of the biodiversity of the Brazilian government, where the species are pointed that, of some form, they are threatened how much to its existence. For its elaboration the Ministry of the Environment (MMA) and its Brazilian Institute of the Environment and Recursos Naturais Renováveis (IBAMA), in partnership with the Biodiversitas Foundation for the Conservation of the Biological Diversity, with the Brazilian Society of Zoology and the Conservation International, had been used hundreds of specialists, in superior period to one year that, after criterioso scientific work, had produced the version initial of the list. The thus gotten information was divulged, for saw electronics, of form to reach the universe of the Brazilian specialists, in the search of perfectioning of the list. More than a thousand contributions had been received and systemize being led, finally, to a seminary that defined the national list of the threatened species of the Brazilian fauna of extinguishing. Differently of that it occurred in the past, the list assumes, now, dynamic characteristics, guiding the programs of recovery of the threatened species, the proposals of implantation of units of conservation, the mitigadoras measures of ambient impacts and the programs of research, consisting, still, in element of reference in the application of the Law of Ambient Crimes."

It's ironic since they are going to start to build the worst designed dams along the river Xingu this year. It will no doubt wipe out all the L46 and anything else in it's path including villages.
Stupid, stupid people.

There gorgeous looking fish. I want them, just take away one of the zero's please on the price and we can talk!

i would personally just love to have one of them ........ been lookin for years since i first got a tropical aquarium but never even came across them for sale

thought i saw them a few years ago , downstairs in wackers on parnell street but wasn't 100% sure .... was on my way to croker to see u2 anyway so i didn't think it appropriate to bring them in with me
lol

platty252 wrote:

It's ironic since they are going to start to build the worst designed dams along the river Xingu this year. It will no doubt wipe out all the L46 and anything else in it's path including villages.
Stupid, stupid people.

Any publications to justify that they are as badly designed as you say?

Not being provocative, just interested to know how they'd get away with it considering the global spotlight that would/should accompany such a plan.

Then again, we are talking about a region with an astonishing rate of deforestation.

Mind you, theres an awful lot of stupid, stupid people preventing the development of Shells gas exploration of the Irish Coast. But thats a story for another day.

So I guess there is one born every minute.

duzzy1 wrote:

i would personally just love to have one of them ........ been lookin for years since i first got a tropical aquarium but never even came across them for sale

thought i saw them a few years ago , downstairs in wackers on parnell street but wasn't 100% sure .... was on my way to croker to see u2 anyway so i didn't think it appropriate to bring them in with me
lol

Then you saw my first two. I saw them on my way to the tax office to tax my car, the car got taxed about two months later. I hope you enjoyed U2.


Daragh

Dave wrote:
Any publications to justify that they are as badly designed as you say?

Not being provocative, just interested to know how they'd get away with it considering the global spotlight that would/should accompany such a plan.

Then again, we are talking about a region with an astonishing rate of deforestation.
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I haven't looked up any info in a while. I do have some old links i will post at the bottom.
It's not so much that the dams are badly designed it more the way they are going about it.
It seems globally (including the people of Brazil) everyone knows they wont just build one or two dams. It just wont work. They will need to build a serious of dams one feeding the other and so on to sustain the energy they need.

So they build the first dam. To harness the water they need to flood 1000s of KM's of forest. This forest area dies off from prolonged flooding. When the trees die off they release all the Co2 they have been storing. Not good for the environment. But it doesn't stop there. With all the decaying matter you get anaerobic conditions develop which are perfect for Methane gas. When methane gas is released in to the atmosphere it traps heat. Something like 20 times more than Co2.
Once you have the heat in the atmosphere you get increased water evaporation which results in more cloud cover.
Did you ever look up at a cloudy sky and wonder why you cant feel the heat of the sun. The sun is still there but the clouds reflect the rays and this in turn heats the atmosphere even more. It's a vicious circle. I know there is more to this but i feel i am straying away from the post.

I was talking to a guy a couple of years back that worked between here and Brazil (from Brazil himself) and he told me that most people in Brazil knew the dam's would go ahead and several would have to be built. Money always comes first over environmental matters regardless of what country.
He told me they had teams of scientists documenting as much of the plants, trees, insects, fish, trees etc as they could from Belo Monte right down the length of the Rio Xingu.
Why would they have them do this so far away from were the first dam is going?
Is this why they banned so many L number plecos from been exported before they were identified?

Anyway i better stop ranting or i will just wind myself up.
I will check tomorrow to see if there is any up to date info regarding the dam/dams.
Here are some links in no particular order.
www.newscientist.com/article/mg19526123....ets-the-goahead.html

www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2F...&ie=UTF8&sl=de&tl=en

www.zebrapleco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5138

translate.google.com/translate?&hl=en&u=...%3fq%3dnode%2f127%2f

unjobs.org/duty_stations/brazil/alagoas/belo-monte


EDIT; I have searched around and there is very little up to date info on the building of the dam/dam's.
A couple of news paper articles about protests but nothing on the actual building of the dam.
Even on Amazonwatch there is nothing up to date; www.amazonwatch.org/amazon/BR/bmd/index.php?page_number=1
Strange.

Dave wrote:

platty252 wrote:

It's ironic since they are going to start to build the worst designed dams along the river Xingu this year. It will no doubt wipe out all the L46 and anything else in it's path including villages.
Stupid, stupid people.

Any publications to justify that they are as badly designed as you say?

Not being provocative, just interested to know how they'd get away with it considering the global spotlight that would/should accompany such a plan.

Then again, we are talking about a region with an astonishing rate of deforestation.

Mind you, theres an awful lot of stupid, stupid people preventing the development of Shells gas exploration of the Irish Coast. But thats a story for another day.

So I guess there is one born every minute.

I think its the fact the goverenment are selling off our natural resources that are the stupid people. Lets sell our minerals and resources, thats a great way to make a quick buck and make sure we never earn another penny from it going forward. Clowns.
Agree also re the silly people preventing the development of the gas exploration but it should never have had been sold off in the first place.
Rant over!!!

Daragh_Owens wrote:

duzzy1 wrote:

i would personally just love to have one of them ........ been lookin for years since i first got a tropical aquarium but never even came across them for sale

thought i saw them a few years ago , downstairs in wackers on parnell street but wasn't 100% sure .... was on my way to croker to see u2 anyway so i didn't think it appropriate to bring them in with me
lol

Then you saw my first two. I saw them on my way to the tax office to tax my car, the car got taxed about two months later. I hope you enjoyed U2.


Daragh

so they were the real deal then yeah ???? how much were they if you don't mind me askin ?


martin

Slightly more than a front seat at U2, each.


Daragh

Fishowner wrote:

I think its the fact the goverenment are selling off our natural resources that are the stupid people. Lets sell our minerals and resources, thats a great way to make a quick buck and make sure we never earn another penny from it going forward. Clowns.
Agree also re the silly people preventing the development of the gas exploration but it should never have had been sold off in the first place.
Rant over!!!

Ok, so given the circumstances, economic downturn etc, I'm sure the Irish voting public would much rather watch the government invest up to 50% (as in U.K) and up to 78% (some Scandinavian countries) in exploration costs on behalf on Multinational companies in researching these potentially lucrative gas fields. I don't think this would go down well with the state of the HSE and 400,000 unemployed.

Instead, there is an agreement in place that they will not be any tax paid on the gas until the cost of exploration has been recouped, which is far enough as the government did not put money forward towards it.

Once this target has been reached, Shell will begin to pay 25% corporation tax on profits (twice the usual rate of 12.5%) While money will be continually pumped into the infrastructure around the west of Ireland, of which 15million has already done so, not to mention the 1200 jobs that are ongoing with construction(more income) and also the hundreds of permanent positions potentially available.

I agree the government should be a little clearer and make the public aware of where they stand, but they haven't done the best of jobs which have led to the hoarde of Sinn Feiners and Do-gooders hounding workers.

And lets not forget that "our" gas fields would never have been explored only for MNC's.

The Brainless fools featured on Paul Williams programme on sunday prove to anyone interested they haven't a clue what the situation is all about.

The attendance of "Mortor Monaghan" one of the infamous 3 "Columbian Bird watchers" but a member of the RIRA, at one of the demonstrations just shows the mindset behind these so called "environmentalists"

Just my two cents, but theres alot more to it than you read on the front of the tabloids.

Gesh think I touched a raw nerve there!!lol
So Darragh, are those the two zebra plecos the ones that youve posted before on here. Gorgeous things.
Gavin

No, no nerves touched.

Just irritates me when I read generalized uninformed statements.

Anyway, back on topic.

A German breeder has been robbed over over 150 H Zebra, including 70/80 breeding size and lots of youngsters. The robbers knew what they were after, throwing other plec types on the floor to die.

Here is a very poor translation of a German news site:

translate.google.com/translate?&hl=en&u=...act%2ftitle%2fTicker

15 years work down the drain.



Daragh

Daragh_Owens wrote:

A German breeder has been robbed over over 150 H Zebra, including 70/80 breeding size and lots of youngsters. The robbers knew what they were after, throwing other plec types on the floor to die.

Here is a very poor translation of a German news site:

translate.google.com/translate?&hl=en&u=...act%2ftitle%2fTicker

15 years work down the drain.



Daragh

This is indeed a sad state of affairs in fishkeeping. I remember having something like this happen in Philippines but with rare freshwater stingrays. Plecs are far easier to net out and steal by criminal elements compared to bigger fish like stingrays and arowanas.

An absolute disgrace.I've often heard of expensive fish going missing from shops,I'm sure it happens a lot.
My biggest fear with my fish,is that some burglar decides to smash my tanks,leaving one big mess to clean up.Not to mention the cost,and the loss of the fish.

Daragh_Owens wrote:

A German breeder has been robbed over over 150 H Zebra, including 70/80 breeding size and lots of youngsters. The robbers knew what they were after, throwing other plec types on the floor to die.

Here is a very poor translation of a German news site:

translate.google.com/translate?&hl=en&u=...act%2ftitle%2fTicker

15 years work down the drain.



Daragh

How gutting must that be, fish where probably stolen to order too, i'd kill if someone did that to me..... actually i'd starve pirhana and then feed these thieves to them, rough justice but hate thieves

Here's my friend breeding update - check out page 10 and 11. The parents and fries. I askedhim to set me aside 2 of them when I go visit next March. Hope you like them
www.mypalhs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89764&page=10

I missed the origional link. How much were the L046 pair being sold for ?

Mick

Think it wa 1200 pounds sterling,or thereabouts.

£1280 I think and the "breeding" group of five that came up a few days later that had never bred went of £1385.

I see another group of five for sale the other day for £1200. I think the first price made a few people think!


Daragh

watch the price go skywards on these

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