You cannot please everyone

Hello out there.....
Wow all i can say is er wow i suppose.The arapiama thread has caused some uproar i'll grant you that.Now i hope some of you can understand the position i seem to find myself in every time i post something up on a forum.Firstly this is our section and it is meant to reflect our views and way of doing things and in general if people dont like what i do then they have the choice not to view our page....but that would be a dissapointment because i dont want to fall out with moderators etc...i have no personal axes to grind...its just the way i am ...i see things in a different way to others but i believe fair is fair.I put up a list on 2 forums...i said nothing ..business as usual until people started the monster fish debate....which i dont have a problem with....my take on it is as follows

1.Potential tankbusters should be sold to responsible individuals....most shops should have customers that can fit this criteria
2.Potential tankbusters have to be rehomed every shop should have a viable plan and facilities for this.
3.Potential tankbusters can be kept by dealers for display purposes if kept properly and that doesnt mean building a 50000 gallon tank today on the basis that a fish will reach 3m or so....it should be flexible and reasonable....
$.The shop should have the resources and skills to take on a project and manage it till conclusion.

It is my belief that i can fulfill these criteria and will try to do so to the best of my ability and if that invites contraversy well then i am sorry thats just tuff...because im a fish keeper first dealer second and lets not lose sight of that fact ladies and gentlemen....before the recession hit we had planned to modify Aquatic Village to house larger displays of fish including arapiama...for years this species has been talked about excitedly.We are adventureists we do this job because we are fish mad and if that puts us in the firing line then bring it on....if we have to pay a price for being passionate and honest then thats fine by me.I will not be censored by moderators for standing my ground and defending my beliefs against people that have an opinion but dont even know who or where we are!
Im sorry for putting up funny light hearted stories and i can respect the rap on the knuckles John h is correct it makes the forum look bad so i'm cool with that but the rest is fair game....from now on i'll let Drew handle the itfs dealings and i will take a step back.Having just be banned from the other society i feel enough is enough...me and clicks dont work...i'm too black and white...to me the pope wears a dress....to everyone else i have just made a blasphemous statement...i think its time to get real and get back to fishkeeping its what i do best....
Cheers
IAn

some people should not be online, if people get wound up by comments, banter and beliefs then the internet is not for them, may i recommend a good news paper or book for these people, i can picture them tucking into their smoked cod and chips getting all wound up about this arapiama

ipcompto said: The arapiama thread has caused some uproar i'll grant you that.

It most certainly did made for the most part some very interesting reading and plenty of people got to air there views on the topic,Which is what the forum is for.

As i said before if you believe you can carry this through then best of luck and i look forward to being kept upto date with the progress

I dont think there is any clicks on this forum maybe i am wrong but i have not seen any yet

You wanting not to post any more is obviously your choice but if some of post raise as much interest as the arapiama did that would be a shame

Regards

after reading, may i say your treatment by some people is down right disgraceful disrespectful and they should be ashamed of themselves, who the hell has the right to critizise a professional fish keeper, ok some see it as far fetched and some may think you have lost it but it would be a very strange boring two dimensional world without a bit of eccentricity and people like yourself willing to take a bold step or two

edited as a certain someone is very cranky this week

dar wrote:

after reading, may i say your treatment on another forum was down right disgraceful disrespectful and they should be ashamed of themselves and their boring kip of a site, who the hell has the right to critizise a professional fish keeper, ok some see it as far fetched and some may think you have lost it but it would be a very strange boring two dimensional world without a bit of eccentricity and people like yourself willing to take a bold step or two

Very harsh on other site i think there is some great fishkeepers on it to be honest,also the internet is use by kids that could be logging into this site,so i think we have to be careful what we say here.

The unfortunate thing about Shotguns is they wound everyone in the vicinity. I don't think this the Place to criticise another Forum, the place to do that is on THAT Forum.

I think, if everything goes to plan Ian, it's the way to go and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavour.

Kev.

If you have a message to convey to the management of another forum, please address yourself directly to them.
I would prefer that you keep the discussions relating to fish keeping, the irishfishkeepers.com forum and the ITFS.
I understand you are all passionate about fish and that is great. So, keep the passion going (about subjects not posters though, if I may re-iterate)!

Thank you.
Valerie

stretnik wrote:

The unfortunate thing about Shotguns is they wound everyone in the vicinity

not with 00 buckshot and a full choke...

this subject has been discussed to the extreme.

ian, go ahead and do it i'm sure you have your mind made up anyway, and we can all pop up and check its welfare (which most of us are certain you are more than capable of providing)

good luck and let us know when work on it starts..

I'm not sure it has been discussed to the extreme.....but unfortunately it was verging towards an unsavoury extreme of AV being attacked without first going into a decent debate on the real pros and cons.

Ian from AV should not necessarily need to defend his decision to having a go at keeping these fish.

If I were back in the days of being a teenager living with my parents, I would have got them to build me a tank for keeping one (call me spoilt, but if you have a farm....exploit it). Unfortunately, I do not have the room for such a project anymore.

My concern in this initially was that a debate started on a posting of a fish listing..... I am not a moderator here, but I like to see fair-play.

I personally feel that whilst the discussion remains on a sponsors section, then it is an uneasy debate.
I have some opinions on this.....and they are as ‘moderates’ on a discussion as it is not all "do what you want" nor "you can't do that" type of topic.

But I do not wish to be seen to be either supporting or be against one shop or another....I don't work like that, as it is not good for fish-keeping.

There are pros and cons.....and those pros and cons will address peoples personal moral (or not) opinions, and the pros and cons may help others see the feasibility of embarking on such a project.

Now, with this being a focus on a shop rather than a focus on the topic, then that will put AV under additional pressure as I am sure some will be waiting for the project to fail.
That is such a pity, and it ain't Cricket.

Hence, why I feel much more info can be gained by going to a neutral section.

Anyway, it does seem as though people on some forums (not necessarily this forum) would prefer to have an 'attack' on someone rather than have a decent debate on a topic and attack or defend a notion.

Irish politics failed because there were too many local agendas (with ah sure, I'll bring in legislation to make you a billionaire type stuff) being looked at by the past government when they should have been putting in policy to rule the country.

On Ian's other thread, he mentions this as a rescue.... I wouldn't call it that, but it may be part of bigger thing:
The Arapaima is not officially an IUCN threatened fish (despite what has been said); but it is on CITES II for a reason. Other big fish have been deemed as threatened as well.
There are properly organised captive breeding programmes to help maintain/replenish/buffer natural stocks....but these breeding programmes may produce surplus fish..... you can't breed 2 million sturgeon and then plonk them all in a lake.

What about these surplus stock from captive breeding programmes?
Monetary income may help such breeding programmes, food fish income may help but that means raising the fish at source, and maybe the aquatic trade can tap in to this and support the finances of the region and help contribute towards conservation efforts.

Now, obviously such a trade means a responsibility to being able to house such fish, but is it not an additional thing to consider?
I'm not saying it is right; I'm not saying it is wrong: and captive breeding programmes are not necessarily reliant upon the aquatic trade, but it is a possibility to think about.

On the subject of shootsters, which ever way they shoot or whichever foxes or hounds they chose to run with, an old book has some good sayings.....eg he who is without sin can cast the first stone.

ian

Wow, can't believe how this topic has spiralled out of control. I am new to fishkeeping and took it up because I thought it was a peaceful and relaxing hobby. Going by this thread I was wayyy off!
I for one would love to see these fish. It's a chance in a lifetime to get up close to one of the biggest fish on the planet, as I don't think I will be going to south America anytime soon.
Cheers guys.
(my 2 cents)

Finnmcool wrote:

Wow, can't believe how this topic has spiralled out of control. I am new to fishkeeping and took it up because I thought it was a peaceful and relaxing hobby. Going by this thread I was wayyy off!
I for one would love to see these fish. It's a chance in a lifetime to get up close to one of the biggest fish on the planet, as I don't think I will be going to south America anytime soon.
Cheers guys.
(my 2 cents)

Actually, all of the people I've met here are really cool and very nice. So, you weren't wayyy off at all.

ian

I would refer to all you have read or at least most of it as a passion for fish which probably gets a little lost in translation sometimes

JohnH wrote:

Rush

who?

joey wrote:

JohnH wrote:

Rush

who?

You're so not with it Joey.

Have to say the whole rush thing threw me did not want to comment and look a fool

but guess were i found it in Social and Rubbish ill say no more :lol

Looking forward to seeing these fish ian best of luck to yous and i would think it a shame for anybody to stop posting there beliefs or opinions

of course i mean all beliefs witch is why i stated it would be a shame for ANYBODY to stop posting