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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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06 Nov 2013 08:30 #1 by Homer (Kevin)
I am toying with setting up an Apistogramma Biotope in the 7 footer, mainly furnished with a heap of Moorwood , Oak and Beech Leaves, a half Dozen Starlight Ancistrus Haplogenys , 30 Habrosus and around 60 Cardinal tetras, the planting will be low level light , I would use 3 Aquaray 600 Light Bars and a 65w return sump Pump. Not sure what to do re heating etc, anyone any ideas what this would cost to run.

It will be in a moderately heated Room 68 Deg f.

H.

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06 Nov 2013 09:58 #2 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
Kev you should download the electric Ireland calculator app
And key in all off the above wattage usage
It can give you a good idea of running costs
Bare in mind it doesn't have fish keepers in mind but there is a miscellaneous
Section to help
It works it out on a two month basis

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But it takes real skill to be a fish keeper,


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06 Nov 2013 11:55 #3 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)
sounds like a great project ..

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06 Nov 2013 12:00 #4 by christyg (Chris Geraghty)
That has the makings of a beautiful display.

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06 Nov 2013 15:34 #5 by sheag35 (Seamus Gillespie)
If your room is @ 68degrees then your heating costs wont be huge but the filtration will be your biggest expense. But knowing your taste in fish it'll be expensive to stock

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06 Nov 2013 15:43 #6 by Homer (Kevin)
I have a lot of the stock I want to keep, tons of Anubias and Java fern, wood and Substrate, ready to go actually but moving the Behemoth into place is going to be the biggest issue !!

H.

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06 Nov 2013 15:48 #7 by bmcg38 (Brian McGrath)

I have a lot of the stock I want to keep, tons of Anubias and Java fern, wood and Substrate, ready to go actually but moving the Behemoth into place is going to be the biggest issue !!

H.


you must live in a castle

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06 Nov 2013 16:30 #8 by Darkslice (Stephen Walsh)
hmm interesting topic, would be eager to hear what the outcome will be. (especially in the winter months)

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06 Nov 2013 16:44 #9 by LemonJelly (Johnny Cowley)

If your room is @ 68degrees then your heating costs wont be huge but the filtration will be your biggest expense. But knowing your taste in fish it'll be expensive to stock


At you talking about the cost of buying a filter? Or of running one? Because I would have thought if you were spending any more than €25 a year running a filter then you're doing something wrong!

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06 Nov 2013 16:59 #10 by Homer (Kevin)

I have a lot of the stock I want to keep, tons of Anubias and Java fern, wood and Substrate, ready to go actually but moving the Behemoth into place is going to be the biggest issue !!

H.


you must live in a castle



YUP!

H.

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It's NOT "Chee lick", NOT "Chee Chee Licks"!!! Cichlids is pronounced as "Sick Lids"!!!!!

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06 Nov 2013 17:09 #11 by Ski (Alan McGee)
I did this calc before and came out with the figures below

FX5, 50W, 24hrs per day, Power consumed per day 1200, Units consumed(KWH) 1.2, Cost per month €6.12

300W heater, 4hrs per day, Power consumed per day 1200, Units consumed(KWH) 1.2, Cost per month €6.12

Might be wrong and obviously the hrs that the heater is on are going to change depending on the time of year

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06 Nov 2013 17:11 #12 by Ski (Alan McGee)
I was using 0.17 * Units consumed(KWH) to get a €0.204 cost per day

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06 Nov 2013 17:13 #13 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
Your 65w pump works out at around a 100 euro
A year to run

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But it takes real skill to be a fish keeper,


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06 Nov 2013 18:23 #14 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
In such a large tank, and with an ambient temp of 68 F, this may not cost that much to heat in the long-run due to the high specific heat capacity of water.
Now, it would take some sort of initial heating though.

We could do some fancy maths to estimate heat loss and heat gain over the year, but it's probably not worth it. If you had 10 of these tanks to run, then that would be worth the effort.
The value per tank does depend on individual tanks.

Lights and filters are quite easily calculated with some degree of accuracy (so long as the stated wattage consumed is that actually used).

ian

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06 Nov 2013 21:48 #15 by murph (Tony Murphy)
Without wanting to teach an old dog new tricks, have your Habrosus aclimatised to 60cm depth?
They're not like Pygmaeus, who hang out on a leaf at the depth their "lungs" are comfortable with.
Habrosus always go to the bottom, which can be a problem if it's deep!

Just in case. ;)

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06 Nov 2013 22:48 #16 by Homer (Kevin)
Not even in the House yet, still in the Garage!!!

H.

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07 Nov 2013 07:12 #17 by anglecichlid (ciaran hogan)
Btw
Do it

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07 Nov 2013 09:01 #18 by Ski (Alan McGee)

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