Some help please!!!

Hi !!!

Yesterday I got 6 Cardinal tetras and today one of them was dead without his eyes.In my 60L tank I have got 3 dwarf Gourami and 10cm Angel fish.

Do u think the teras are compatible with this fishs?

Just one hour ago Saw one of the gouramis eating the dead terta when he was alredy dead.
Do u think the gouramies may have bullied him?

Thanks!!!

Neki.

Hi Neki,
Some people have a greater experience than I have ; however, I did have 2 dwarf gouramies. 1 bullied the other to death and ate my male guppy's tail (RIP ;(). I think they are particularly attracted to strong coloured fish, thinking they are competition.
I would say the Angel would soon be tempted in the same manner.
Good luck !
Valerie

Hi Neki

Either or both your Angels or your gourami could have done this. If you want small fish in your tank you would be better off with rummy nose tetras in there or zebra danio's.

or possibly the cardinal just died of shock or stress and your other fish have been eating it. The eyes are usually the first things to go because they are the softest tissue on a fish and hence easiest to eat.

i agrre with holger i would say the fish died from stress and the larger fish think he's dinner

John is right about not keeping them with angel of that size angels treat cardinal and neons like biscuits with a cup of tea

Thanks everybody for the advices!

Yesterday I was enjoying them staying together for abuot 1.5 hour and I didn't notice any bullying at all.Everything seems to be just fine and they were eating food as well.That's why I'm a bit surprised.

And the rest of them today are ok,moving,eating etc.I don't think that the Angel bullies them I have never seen it either the gouramies.

They don't seem to be stressed at all in my opinion.

I asked the LFS abuot the compatibility and he told me that they would be just fine with all the tank mates.

What do u think shoul I keep them or houl I return them back to the LFS?

Thanks everybody!!!

Neki.

Thanks everybody for the advices!

Yesterday I was enjoying them staying together for abuot 1.5 hour and I didn't notice any bullying at all.Everything seems to be just fine and they were eating food as well.That's why I'm a bit surprised.

And the rest of them today are ok,moving,eating etc.I don't think that the Angel bullies them I have never seen it either the gouramies.

They don't seem to be stressed at all in my opinion.

I asked the LFS abuot the compatibility and he told me that they would be just fine with all the tank mates.

What do u think shoul I keep them or houl I return them back to the LFS?

Thanks everybody!!!

Neki.

Thanks everybody for the advices!

Yesterday I was enjoying them staying together for abuot 1.5 hour and I didn't notice any bullying at all.Everything seems to be just fine and they were eating food as well.That's why I'm a bit surprised.

And the rest of them today are ok,moving,eating etc.I don't think that the Angel bullies them I have never seen it either the gouramies.

They don't seem to be stressed at all in my opinion.

I asked the LFS abuot the compatibility and he told me that they would be just fine with all the tank mates.

What do u think shoul I keep them or houl I return them back to the LFS?

Thanks everybody!!!

Neki.

A 60l tank is way too small for an angel which is capable of growing to 8\". You either need to get a bigger tank or rehome him.

I have found gouramies to be terretorial and agressive. I would strongly advise against any more than two in a tank of that size, preferably a male and female. However, female gouramies are hard to come by as they are far less colourful than the males. Most of the gouramies you see in LFSs are males which always leads to agression in a tank.

Hi!

Today I just found another dead Tetra and he had a little fin shreded.Yesterday I saw closely all the fishes and the all seem to be paceful.
Sometimes they were close to the Gouramies and the Angle and not a sign of aggressivnes at all.

The dead Tetra yesterday was staying alone from the school and in the middle of his body he didn't have the blue color, he had just plain gray.

Has he been bullied?

I was thinking to put all the Tetras in the breeding net just to see if where the problem is the water(I did a 20% water change yesterday) or the tankmates.


Thanks!!!

Neki.

Have you tested your water? Adding the additional fish may have overloaded your filter and caused an ammonia/nitrITE spike. This would account for the deaths.<br><br>Post edited by: KenS, at: 2007/07/12 14:16

Hi Neki,
putting them into a net will only futher stress them. By the symptoms they are showing I would venture an educated guess that your cardinals have an internal infection.

Holger

To late:(

When I saw this morning the fishs all the rest of the Tetras was dead:(

I was going to return them to the LFS but nothing:(

What do u think I can add in the 60L tank with 3 Dwarf Gourami and 1 Angel fish?

Thaks everybody for your advices!!!

Thanks!

Neki.

apistodiscus wrote:

or possibly the cardinal just died of shock or stress and your other fish have been eating it. The eyes are usually the first things to go because they are the softest tissue on a fish and hence easiest to eat.

Holger could be right, if they are shocked they are funerable targets for fish of any size.............

Whos fault is it well it could be you LFS if the fish did not reach these bagging criteria.

1. Tetras, and small loaches, both bottom corners folded up and taped (as in packing brown tape)other wise they shock in the corners.

2. Large catfish especial african catfish and marine angle fish, both corners twisted and closed of with elastic bands then 2 more baqgs with a layer of news paper between in the inner bag and outer bag.

Basically if the tetras were bage without tape or a heat sealer to round the corner print this post and bring it to the LFS.

Hi Neki,

60l is too small for the fish you are keeping. Angels shouldn't be kept in anything smaller than a 120l tank.Having said that, the bigger the better.
I never had any issue with angels eating neons or cardinals. It seems that if you grow angels on with small tetras in the tank they don't recognise as food. However, the old man has wild caught Peruvian angels and they will go for anything of that size.
Holger

Fr. Jack wrote
1. Tetras, and small loaches, both bottom corners folded up and taped (as in packing brown tape)other wise they shock in the corners.

2. Large catfish especial african catfish and marine angle fish, both corners twisted and closed of with elastic bands then 2 more baqgs with a layer of news paper between in the inner bag and outer bag.

Basically if the tetras were bage without tape or a heat sealer to round the corner print this post and bring it to the LFS

I have never, ever seen a LFS do anything like this to a bag.
Not Wackers, not any of the other LFS's I go to.
(Kinsealy, Drogheda, Coolock, Swords, Balbriggan)

Mind you, the bags in Wackers are of superior quality, and have some sort of folding flap type thing that hangs below the bottom of the bag and gives a 'flat bottom' to it.
Got to be a water quality issue IMO, I'd imagine the filter in that small tank is way overloaded and add to that possible predation from the bigger fish.<br><br>Post edited by: Didihno, at: 2007/07/16 11:50

Didihno wrote:

Fr. Jack wrote
1. Tetras, and small loaches, both bottom corners folded up and taped (as in packing brown tape)other wise they shock in the corners.

2. Large catfish especial african catfish and marine angle fish, both corners twisted and closed of with elastic bands then 2 more baqgs with a layer of news paper between in the inner bag and outer bag.

Basically if the tetras were bage without tape or a heat sealer to round the corner print this post and bring it to the LFS

I have never, ever seen a LFS do anything like this to a bag.
Not Wackers, not any of the other LFS's I go to.
(Kinsealy, Drogheda, Coolock, Swords, Balbriggan)

Mind you, the bags in Wackers are of superior quality, and have some sort of folding flap type thing that hangs below the bottom of the bag and gives a 'flat bottom' to it.
Got to be a water quality issue IMO, I'd imagine the filter in that small tank is way overloaded and add to that possible predation from the bigger fish.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Post edited by: Didihno, at: 2007/07/16 11:50

I take on your point, I left Ireland a long time ago at the time in the 80´s the best shop was Grovenor Tropicals in Belfast (this is not IMO) it was well know to be the best even then they taped up the corners, I sure now a days the best specialist shops 2 or 3 shops in Dublin do it also (I cannot varify that)Of all the fresh water Tropical fish farms I have worked on in Tampa Florida and the Marine exporter Landmark Trading in Manila in the Phillipies and Manila Aquatics marine wholesaler in Tampa Florida, and Neil Hardy Aquatic fresh water wholesaler in south London all of the did it (heat seal) or when broken they used tape to round the corners, yes all of them, I have seen tetras shock after been put into a tank after 4 hours that had prevously be transported with 90 degree corners that collapise, it like a baby dieing of cot death in the \&quot;corner\&quot; or the cot instead of having a rounded corner cot where there is less cot deaths.

all our bags have flat bottoms on em..if we run out you may notice us turning the bag upside down and double baging.this stops the fish from going into the corners and having their gills stuck together.

Wow Jack I had no idea!
Dublin fish shops be warned, your inferior packing technique is under surveillance!!! (except Wackers!)<br><br>Post edited by: Didihno, at: 2007/07/16 12:44

It seems strange that every LFS in Ireland seems to use bags without rounded corners. I used to work in a fishshop in Germany and every rep that called to the shop left a couple of rolls of bags. Tetra, JBl, Sera all provided free bags with rounded corners. It was a way of advertising their products. Surely they must be available over here as well.

apistodiscus wrote:

It seems strange that every LFS in Ireland seems to use bags without rounded corners. I used to work in a fishshop in Germany and every rep that called to the shop left a couple of rolls of bags. Tetra, JBl, Sera all provided free bags with rounded corners. It was a way of advertising their products. Surely they must be available over here as well.

Apparently not!
Probably the tax on them......

15 cents per bag environmental levy? Not applicable in this case. This only applies to shopping bags but where it is deemes neccessary or impractical to use anything else but a plastic bag (for example, meat, lose vegetables, etc.) the levy doesn't apply. And even if it did the retailer would still pay the same for any plastic bag

apistodiscus wrote:

It seems strange that every LFS in Ireland seems to use bags without rounded corners. I used to work in a fishshop in Germany and every rep that called to the shop left a couple of rolls of bags. Tetra, JBl, Sera all provided free bags with rounded corners. It was a way of advertising their products. Surely they must be available over here as well.

Apparently not!
Probably the tax on them......imagine the shop attendant asking you if you would like a plastic bag for your fish?!!

Oops...half a post?
How did I do that?!!!