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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Colourful fish

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28 Mar 2009 12:31 - 02 Apr 2009 21:47 #1 by Alex (Alex)
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Can any1 suggest colourful fish for my 800L community tank? they cant be under 2" because they would prob be gobbled up which includes most tetras and other small colourful community fish!
So far iv come up with Blue Rams, Angel fish and maybe dwarf gourami..
Here is a list of my current Stock.

Fire Eel
Bichir senegalus
2 Rope fish
2 Pearl Gourami
2 Black Skirt Tetra
6 Tiger Barbs
1 Torpedo Barb
3 Bala sharks
Common pleco
4 clown loaches
4 siamese algae eaters
3 cory's
1 red tailed shark

Im very keen on getting some Blue Rams,,, Just wanna see if there are any other options!
Thanks
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28 Mar 2009 12:56 #2 by scubadim (scubadim)
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Hey how are you?
big tank and ecclectic population of fish but nice!
Have you tried rainbow fish,the likes of boesmani or red rainbow?
they take a bit of time to colour up but when they do....they can be quite nice:)
Rams are great but your Polypterus might be a threat as it grows.

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28 Mar 2009 13:13 - 28 Mar 2009 14:52 #3 by Alex (Alex)
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hey,
looked up rainbow fish, very nice!, iv never seen them on sale, (maybe didnt notice) are them common? and what would price be like?
My Bichir is 5-6" he has stayed this size for half a year now... As long as the fish are over 2.5" they should be fine, He didnt touch my siemese algae eaters (3" ) when i got em.
Do blue rams and rainbow fish like 2 be in a shoal? think i might get a both.
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28 Mar 2009 16:52 #4 by Alex (Alex)
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em since i have my list of fish up... do u think any of them will eat my Amazon Sword plant?? i have one that has outgrown my 70L.. im worried that my pleco might?

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01 Apr 2009 13:26 #5 by scubadim (scubadim)
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Hey,rainbows are easily available it's just that most of the time they're not mature enough...
they do best in a little group.rams do best in harems(1male,couple of females).
amazone swords will be eaten or damaged by clown loach,plecostomus and the bala shark could nibble them.
the price on rainbows vary,between €5 and €10 depends on species and size especially.

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01 Apr 2009 16:07 #6 by JohnH (John)
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I hate to burst your bubble Alex but Ramerizis would be, in my opinion, totally unsuitable as tank companions for the fish you already have.

Ok, they will sort of stand up for themselves in a smaller fish environment- but would stand absolutely no chance if put in with the fish on your list.
And anyway they would probably end up as a small but very attractive snack for one or two of your larger predators!

If you want Rams then by all means set up a smaller tank with a pair, or possibly a trio...along with some of what those 'in the know' call "dither" fish...to put any in your mentioned tank would be a disaster about to happen. Even if, by a small miracle they weren't eaten they would be totally ill at ease with all the boisterous larger fish you have.

You might want to look at larger and better-able-to-fend-for-themselves fish, like some of the more colourful Acaras, Geophagus 'Eartheaters', Jack Dempseys...the list goes on...but Rams - no way!

Some of the Rainbows are pretty colourful - as suggested - and even the 'Bolivian' Ram, a larger more assertive fish altogether...but sadly lacking much of the attractive appeal of their Columbian cousin, (but lovely still for all that) might be better suited. You might want to look too at the African Butterfly Cichlid, the Thomasi (I forget the 'new' name for it, but it used to be in with what was in those days called Pelmatachromis, it's now something like Anolomachromis)...speaking of which, why not consider some of the 'newer' 'Krib' types? The Nigerian Red Taeniatus (that's probably the wrong spelling again) as well as the 'Moliwe' and 'Dihane' varieties are all very nice - especially, strangely enough, the females.

Well, that's my advice, but if you choose to still get the Rams, be prepared for disappointment.

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01 Apr 2009 18:59 #7 by Alex (Alex)
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yeah I found out Rams only grow to 3" if lucky.. i was very tempted to get a mozambique mouth breeder....(it was named Green Terror in shop) the pics of both look similar.... are they same fish...? i was reading about red terror and they are ment to be agressive...so im confused!! the M mouth breeder is ment to be peaceful when given enough space... I know absolutly nothing about Cichlids:( i decided against experimenting..
instead iv decided to get 4 torpedo barbs they cost alot but worth it in the long run:)

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01 Apr 2009 22:55 #8 by JohnH (John)
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I never saw a 3" Ram, apart from one of those abominations with long fins!

Mozambique Mouthbreeders are totally unlike the Green Terror, the latter is a much more attractive fish, although its manners can often leave a bit to be desired. The former is a pretty drab fish by comparison...although they do have their fans too (I'm quite fond of them myself). You're right too, the ones I have kept were a little boisterous but never unduly so, but I can tell you one thing - they are never at the back of the queue when it comes to feeding time!

The Red Terror can very much live up to its name, but there again so can the Green Terror as well, I think both ought to be avoided by anyone with little experience of such Cichlids

("I know absolutly nothing about Cichlids")

...but it's your choice at the end of the day.

It was good to read you have abandoned the Cichlid route for the time being (do a lot more reading on them and their requirements first). A small word of warning though, I've been told that Torpedo Barbs are quite bad travellers so buy specimens which have been in the shop for a little while, perhaps as long as a week, which should have by then let them get over the trauma of being imported then bring them back carefully (if possible one to a bag) and get them into their new surroundings as quickly and with as little stress as possible. You might consider turning off the tank light before releasing them as well. This should allow them to settle a little without being overly hassled by the existing fish. You might think this to be a little 'over the top' but they aren't exactly the cheapest of fish so would deserve the 'kid glove' treatment.

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02 Apr 2009 01:37 - 02 Apr 2009 01:48 #9 by Trimax (Trimax)
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Man the things I would do with that tank. If you want some serious colour that kicks even the marines butts (had to throw that in ;p!) it's new world cichlids all the way, but yes they are tricky and require allot of study to get the most out of them. Why not rehome your fish and get a super red arowana? just kidding i'm just drooling over your tank! here's some idea's Congo tetra, some medium peaceful and easy to keep cichlids like the T-bar sajica cichlid, red spotted severum or rainbow cichlid, or even some geo's Goddammit I can't hold back anymore GET AN ELECTRIC BLUE JACK DEMPSEY AND A GREEN TERROR OR EVEN A RED HEAD SYNSPILLUM THE COLOURS ARE INSANE!!! There I said it I feel better now...seriously though imagine a fish the size of a small dog thats red,white,green,blue,black,yellow,purple and silver thats a redhead cichlid. Don't get one though their cold hearted killers! the idea of 800l freshwater has just driven me temporarily insane, I think it's hmm whats that word... jealousy thats the one! Now if you'll just kindly give me your tank i'll be on my way.
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02 Apr 2009 01:54 #10 by Trimax (Trimax)
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Oh also something constructive; That bichers gonna be a problem, it's an awesome predator even if it looks cute, A species doesn't survive millions upon millions of years by being cute. If you don't want to go down the predatory route then best lose the bicher.

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02 Apr 2009 21:44 - 04 Apr 2009 16:28 #11 by Alex (Alex)
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Ha trust me if i could id change the whole setup! !! haha sorry But im a snakehead man myself! id get a tank full of em! and hopfully end up with a breeding pair! I have a single Gachua with a candy pleo in my 70L gonna get bigger tank over summer and hopefully some more Gachuas!
anyways thanks for all the info! and yeah there are torpedos in Aquatic Village they have been there for a few weeks.. so id say they would be fine.
as for my Birchir... well iv had him for nearly 2 years now... i know he will gobble up any smaller fish... but he aint to bad.. There was only one incident a while back.. but he didnt touch my 4 siemese algae eaters when i got them a few weeks ago and they were smaller then the torpedos i intend to get.. so im not to worried! id never give up my Bichir(egore)!! he is nearly 5.5-6" now.
Anyways i think ill finally stop buying fish after i get torpedos (ill try).. my Fire Eel will get huge so he will need space.. already 11-12".
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03 Apr 2009 01:39 - 03 Apr 2009 01:51 #12 by Trimax (Trimax)
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Love snakeheads myself only recently got my first juvenile, I'm not sure of the species yet. I knew they grew fast but I didn't realise how fast, my one has TRIPLED in 2 weeks!!!! It was 1 inch when I got it 2 weeks ago it's now just over 3 inches !!!! I swear i'm not exaggerating !!

They are some awesome looking snakeheads man ,are they all dwarf snakeheads? shame many lose their colours as they reach adulthood. So why not change and just get a fancy big snakehead in the 800l? wouldn't take long to grow.
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03 Apr 2009 08:08 - 03 Apr 2009 08:10 #13 by Alex (Alex)
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Im only 18 and id prop get one in future when i finnish college ect ect... anyways when i move out there is no way i can bring tank.. anyways alot of the fish will die in 5-6 years ... and im sure i can re-home others if needed. but when i set up tank again if i ever do! snakeheads are first on the list! and yep they were Dwarf.. Em if the snakehead has red stripes i think it may be northern snakehead... iv no idea how other juviniles look! Hopefully its not one of them:S !! try post a pic of him!
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