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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

what fish will live with a stingray

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25 Aug 2011 20:04 #1 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
hi hows it goin i would really like to introduce a stingray to my 800L tank would one go well with jack dempseys plecos and sevrums and maybe a blue crayfish

ive seen two different types i could get motaro and teacup does anyone on here have expierience with them

thanks in advance
Deco

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25 Aug 2011 21:52 #2 by Acara (Dave Walters)
You will need to have EXTREMELY clean water. I know a few people who have had them,and I stress 'had',as they all died prematurely. Know these boys are very clued up keepers,and did their best,they just didn't last.
Any fish that lives on the bottom could be targeted as potential food. Any other fish in the tank could receive a fatal barb. A friend was sitting watching his teacup,a discus came down near it,and bang,up went the tail,in went the barb,and that discus was instantly dead.
Other keepers have probably had them last longer,I'm not talking from my own experience,and definately not from Google,but from a few friends who have had them.
The crayfish would be one of their natural foods.

always on the lookout for interesting corys.pm me if you know off any!

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25 Aug 2011 21:58 #3 by fishhead88 (Aaron)
Hey deco first off welcome. Now down to buisness i dont no that much about sting rays but the ones that can be kept in a tank are peaceful enough but will eat fish smaller then them. the need really good water some people say double the filteration that a tank full of fish would. im not sure how your fish would do with it as jack ds can be aggressive but you could try it beacuse what doesnt work for me could well work for you. or you could just have a sting ray tank. best of luck with whatever you go for

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25 Aug 2011 22:03 #4 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
thanks for the info theres only so much ya can read about them better off hearin first hand expieriences its sometin id love in the tank but i dont know if i could dedicate enough time to having the water that clean in an 800L tank lol

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25 Aug 2011 23:57 #5 by ceech (Desmond Gaynor)
not to be the bad man but i dont think you tank is big enough for a string ray buddy.
They need lots of space and high filteration you ould need another fx 5 at the min in your tank and weekly water changes.

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26 Aug 2011 02:37 #6 by dar (darren curry)
you'd really want a square tank for them, swimming up and down the same route would be enough to ill them of boredom

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic

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26 Aug 2011 08:18 - 26 Aug 2011 08:19 #7 by Acara (Dave Walters)

you'd really want a square tank for them, swimming up and down the same route would be enough to ill them of boredom


No different to any other fish ;)

always on the lookout for interesting corys.pm me if you know off any!
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26 Aug 2011 09:24 #8 by dubfish (Alan Martin)

Any other fish in the tank could receive a fatal barb. A friend was sitting watching his teacup,a discus came down near it,and bang,up went the tail,in went the barb,and that discus was instantly dead.

How dangerous would that "Barb" be to Humans, are we talking "Steve Irwin" dangerous?

Regards Alan..

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26 Aug 2011 09:24 #9 by dar (darren curry)

you'd really want a square tank for them, swimming up and down the same route would be enough to kill them of boredom


No different to any other fish ;)


very true but due to these being the same width as length i'd assume these would require extra wide tanks

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic

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26 Aug 2011 10:20 #10 by Acara (Dave Walters)
I know what you mean,and that's half the reason I wouldn't keep them,as much as I love them,I just think the footprint of the tank needs to be a lot bigger than the standard rectangular tanks most of us have.

always on the lookout for interesting corys.pm me if you know off any!

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26 Aug 2011 10:36 #11 by dar (darren curry)
a very expensive mistake if you ask me, although they are fantastic fish

Check out the angling section, it is fantastic

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26 Aug 2011 11:55 #12 by ceech (Desmond Gaynor)
now that dwarf is cool but no matter what way you look at it they have stingers and that means the oother fish could become extinct !!!!

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26 Aug 2011 15:17 #13 by Jambomac (James McConville)
I think the first question you have to ask yourself are you compatible with them like you will have to be anally attentive to your water quality never mind that all fish are at risk and so will your arms be if you have to move things and if there like all flat fish will tend to hide under that new sand you got and you won't know where he is when cleaning mate.

I'm not saying no because its your own money but with you losing loads of fish and only re-taking an interest into fish i would hold off so at least you know you will be definetly be commited to keeping water quality at optimum level's good luck man these lads know what there talking about well some of them :whistle:

“A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.”

quote Bruce Lee

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26 Aug 2011 16:30 #14 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
Yeah I'm defo holdin off especially since I fill my tank straight from the tap don't think a ray would survive . I would like to add another big fish to the tank though maybe a gar fish again when my oscars are gone

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26 Aug 2011 16:57 #15 by Jambomac (James McConville)
I'm suprised any fish survive from water straight from the tap over long periods and with predatory filled tank you will have casualtys the jack dempsey's will odds on replace your oscars as top fish and might not let any other fish in there also man.

Once the oscars go the dynamics will change and terretories have to be established might not stand a great chance of survival against powerful fish especially if its juvenile.

What garfish this one :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garfish
Or an aligator gar which can grow to about 7-8 feet depending on species.

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26 Aug 2011 17:46 #16 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
I had an alligator gar and the Oscar et him I have a pic somewhere of 4 inchs of it hangin out the oscars mouth might get another there so cool they atexa snake head chana on me too I've had a few expensive mistakes

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26 Aug 2011 18:18 #17 by dubfish (Alan Martin)

I had an alligator gar and the Oscar et him



Who sold you an Alligator Gar :ohmy: ?

Regards Alan..

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26 Aug 2011 18:38 #18 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
a fella in aquatic village it wasnt ian or drew though got him the same day i got my snake head chana they didn last very long though

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26 Aug 2011 18:46 - 26 Aug 2011 18:57 #19 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
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thats a video on photobucket if ya click on it it will pop up
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26 Aug 2011 19:43 #20 by dubfish (Alan Martin)

a fella in aquatic village it wasnt ian or drew though got him the same day i got my snake head chana they didn last very long though

Did you know they can grow to 3 metres and weigh upto 280 lbs before you bought that little gar?

Regards Alan..
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26 Aug 2011 20:01 #21 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
i know man i was stupid didn have a clue at the time the fish i had in that tank together were


gouramis and dwarfs
balas
red tails sharks
ID sharks
fire eel
100 x cardinal tetras
bolivian rams
10 xl congo tetras
snake head chana
aligator gar fish
tiger oscars
7 jack dempseys
3 monster plecos
siamese fighying fish
cori doras
hatchet fish
3 cray fish
20 auto cinulous
3 green terrors
2 green sevrums
and probably a few more i cant think of

im makin a proper go of it now no more just fuckin fish into the tank anymore

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26 Aug 2011 20:09 #22 by DJK (David Kinsella)

a fella in aquatic village it wasnt ian or drew though got him the same day i got my snake head chana they didn last very long though



Cripes, they seem to specialise in monster fish. :ohmy:

Dave

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26 Aug 2011 20:28 #23 by Jambomac (James McConville)
At what point do need a licence to own certain animals in this country like baby alligators in petshops and alligator gars can you still have a lion if you want without any laws to protect others as i'm sure but hope not the odd snake head has ended up being released into our rivers and as america is getting screwed by them we stand no chance if they have.

Do they stock killer whales i'd like one of them?

Deco180sx nobody here is telling you off for the fish you bought as a newb, yeah you should have done more research but i think sellers have more of a responsibility as to what they sell. a goldfish is one thing but some fish in the wrong hands can spell disaster especially as some of the fish you've had could probably smash your glass if its not thick enough.

“A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.”

quote Bruce Lee

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26 Aug 2011 20:34 #24 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
so the oscar could have done me a bit of a favour then lol think my glass is 12mm thick

any advice on a 60 litre tank i have there and what to put in it thats cheap nice and low mentenance i have to say i dont know much about fish and i jimped in the deep end literally

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26 Aug 2011 21:05 #25 by Jambomac (James McConville)
I suppose with 60 litre since you want low maintenance and tough, a pair of convicts but try and get unrelated ones as they have been interbred quite a bit.

They easily breed and there great parenting skills will really draw into fishkeeping again.
Buy no real point in keeping what i like as your one who will be cleaning the tank :laugh:

This sites good but when nobody is here to answer your question a book on fish is quite handy a bit old school especially with the internet at your fingertips good information.

You could always get adult convicts in your large tank as they've been known to punch whell above there weight and would take on oscars and jack dempsey's no problem.

The oscar definitely did you a favour but fully grown oscars might be able to crack your glass not sure on the exact specs that they could break but 2 foot of muscle as fish don't tend to have a lot of fat.


“A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.”

quote Bruce Lee

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26 Aug 2011 21:30 #26 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
would convicts not need a bigger tank

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26 Aug 2011 21:47 - 26 Aug 2011 22:03 #27 by Jambomac (James McConville)
Yes and no between 10 and 20 gallon tank if only a pair of convicts are kept they will be fine in 10 gallon Male fish mite get to 6 inches but unlikely as they'll start to breed as soon as your female reaches 2 inches and she will never really get past that size.

I picked the fish more on the basis of hardiness a low maintenance as most others need more obviously there are tiger barbs and other small barbs, tetras.

Killifish would be good but need good quality water.

“A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.”

quote Bruce Lee
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26 Aug 2011 21:58 #28 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
cool what would the best type of filter to stick on a 60 litre would a small external one be good i have an internal one thats shaped like a stingray dont know the make are they any use

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26 Aug 2011 22:30 #29 by Jambomac (James McConville)
Yeah external would be good more space for them and less chance of the tiny fry getting eaten by the filter i had to put sock from the gravel cleaners at the bottom of my filter and tank went green.



AS you can see in second video larger fish scared when they breed.

a very underated fish probably because of being so easy to breed but female with her orange is quite an attractive fish.

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26 Aug 2011 22:42 #30 by Deco180sx (Declan Mcdonald)
they look pretty cool the fry look deadly do the fish eat them or do they survive do they feed on flakes or frozen food im eyein up a spot for the 60 litre as we speak

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