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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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15 Sep 2012 18:02 #1 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hi

I will be setting up a tank soon as a tropical community. I am wondering if I can use collected river rock in the tank?

I was thinking of using them to make cave like structures for decoration/shelter.

Any advise welcome
Dec

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15 Sep 2012 18:24 #2 by stretnik (stretnik)
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At the moment, Rivers are being raped of both Flora and Fauna, as well as Rocks and substrates, I know the motivation behind collecting from Nature is the fact the stuff is available for free but if removing stuff from Nature continues unhindered, the Biotope they came from will be the place that suffers and to add to the frustration, these gems from nature are only used until the Hobbyist gets tired of his/her set-up and the material is abandoned, which to me, is wanton waste, do yourself and the Environment a favour and buy the Material from LFS where at least , you can hope they come from areas of little interest or special Environmental interest.

To answer your question, River Rocks, coming from fast flowing, unpolluted Water should be fine.

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15 Sep 2012 18:32 #3 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
This has been a topic with some interesting history on the forum. :ohmy:

The principle of using river rocks is fine, but there are risks.....

introduction of disease is one, and knowing if the rocks are chemically safe in a fish tank is the other.

Although mildly damaging rocks would have little or no impact within a river system, the enclosed quarters of a fish tank could see an ever increasing level of hazards.

The so called "vinegar test" is only any good at indicating if you might have limestone/marble/chalk in the rocks;
it does not tell you if the rocks are safe or not to use.

limestone/marble/chalky rocks may have mainly dissolved in the river water, but if present they can increase pH, hardness and alkalinity (as well as increasing conductivity etc).
If your particular species of fish don't like those conditions, then avoid them.

But, in general, the carbonate content of the rocks is the least of the concerns on the chemical safety of rocks as the rocks may contain heavy metals, iron, zinc, sulphides, and arsenic (to name a few).

So, there are risks........but not all rocks are hazardous (well...thrown at the tank front would be a hazard I guess !)

ian

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15 Sep 2012 18:33 #4 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
Stretnik is faster at typing that I am......so bump to Stretnik's post above mine.

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15 Sep 2012 20:12 #5 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Hi

Thanks for the info I will avoid the river rock as the rock I would be collecting has not been in running water for a few years since river course changed.

I would like to use sandstone in my tank as it the most common type of stone in my area. If you have seen any available please let me know as LFS did not have much to offer.

Kev
I appreciate your concern for our environment, point taken

Thx
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15 Sep 2012 20:22 #6 by stretnik (stretnik)
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Hi Dec,

I won't go into detail re composition of Sandstone but if you contact your local paving Company, they should have off-cuts or broken pieces, if I were you, however, given your locality, I'd opt for pieces of Liscannor, it really is beautiful and comes from local Quarries.


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15 Sep 2012 21:23 #7 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Thx Kev

I'll look up Liscannor. As you seem to have local knowledge would you have any advice regarding plants. I would also like to use indigenous plants?

Cheers
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15 Sep 2012 21:28 #8 by stretnik (stretnik)
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It really depends upon whether you intend keeping Tropicals or Fish from cooler regions that would tolerate the temps required for indigenous plant life, warm Water would cause excessively fast growth on native Plant material, if you were to go with some of the Danio species, you would be able to grow Native Plants with them.

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15 Sep 2012 21:39 #9 by antoblfc (Anthony Behan)
If its sandstone your after why not head to your local paving shop.I use indian sandstone slabs (broken up of coarse)in my 5ft cichlid tank and they look really well.Its great for building cave structures or if you have a good imagionation anything is possible.Just be sure to clean them or soak in bioling water.

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15 Sep 2012 21:41 #10 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
Thx again

I will try indigenous plants for the cold water tank, hopefully the goldies will leave them alone, info online suggests goldies can be hard on plants.

Cheers
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