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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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23 Jan 2013 18:15 #1 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
Hey guys,

I got a new filter there and just finishing assembling it....Its the jbl e901....It was a rocky installation... i had everything assembled and i began to siphon the water and next think the filter began to leek water also one of the hoses came loose from the bracket and water began to go everywhere on the floor....i really dont trust those hoses and how tight they fit into their brackets..

I have the spray bar ontop of the water level and its making the usual splashing noise. i just want to ask a few questions as its my first external filter...

how do you know everythings really in place... i dont want to wake up tomoro and something came loose and my bed is now a lilo...?

and are you able to put the spray bar under the water level ? i dont want to hear the splash all night...or ill be peeing every 5 minutes...

also any tricks to actually getting the filter to go quite or does it do that eventually after a few hours...?

Thanks guys

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23 Jan 2013 18:26 #2 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
There is only one gripe that I have with all the JBL external filters....and that is that the connectors on the spray-bar are a tad flimsy. I recently got a 901e and the l-turn split in two after connection to the spray bar.

However, at least you do get a good array of attachment choices free in the box with JBL as opposed to having to fork out another 20 odd euro for such attachments.

The main tubing from the tank to the filter is very good, so it is only the bits that connect to a spray bar that become flimsy.

Yes, you can use the spray bar under water, but you would best be changing the attachment to one of the other output attachments (which will allow better flow and not put strain on the L-connectors).

JBL externals are very quiet. So if there is a noise then it may not be primed correctly.

Priming JBLs is pretty easy with the palm-primer button.

Switch off the filter and make sure the input and output ends are under water.
Turn the flow rate levels to full.
Do not prime if the output lever is set to near "no-flow" as you will force water out of the seal of the filter.

Slowly prime the device until no bubbles come out of the output. Wait a few minutes, then do it again to double check purging of air.

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23 Jan 2013 18:28 #3 by JohnH (John)
It will get more quiet as any air trapped inside gradually decreases.
You ought to be able to set the angle of the spray bar to direct the water spray into, rather than along the water surface.
After it has been running a couple of hours check all the connections for water leaks (just in case).
As to getting up to pee every five minutes - you have that to come, with age cometh dodgy bladder...although every five minutes is a bit severe) :evil:

Anyone offer further advice to Gilly?

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23 Jan 2013 18:39 #4 by igmillichip (ian millichip)


Anyone offer further advice to Gilly?


Pelvic Floor exercises.....but don't ask me for any videos.

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23 Jan 2013 18:44 #5 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
haha cheers guys... im not leaving my room for a few hours... i just know one of those hoses is going to pop out from its bracket in the tank and im fucked then...

Ian if something goes wrong and water starts spray everywhere on the jbl filters... whats the quickest way to get it to stop... just turn off the filter....

Im a bit worried about my gouramis since i set up the external there going to low current parts of the tank... how do you decrease the flow on the jbl filters... does decreasing the flow put pressure on the filter... almost like covering the house of a vuccum puts pressure on the vacuum?

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23 Jan 2013 18:59 #6 by davey_c (dave clarke)
i have my spraybar below the water surface pointing slightly upwards to create surface movement, there are no splashing sounds, with my e900 there was an extension piece to lower the spraybar further which does drop it down a good bit... is there 1 with the 901?

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23 Jan 2013 19:12 #7 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
Ive figured it out now thanks the water isint splashing anymore.... Im just terrified those brackets dont have enough of a clamp on the pipes and im going to lose 180 litres to the floor...afraid to leave the room here

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23 Jan 2013 19:15 #8 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
One last question guys.... when you install an external is it normal for the water level to lower.... mine has ...probably cause a lot of water is in the external filter... do you top it up again might i ask?

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23 Jan 2013 19:38 #9 by igmillichip (ian millichip)
You'll have to top up the tank.
But.....you increase the volume by x amount (the volume of the filter) :)

Just a note on the brackets for the spray bar....when fixing, make sure that they are not over any of the holes as that could cause a spraying of water all over the place (especially if upwards and out of the tank)

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23 Jan 2013 19:50 #10 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
I dont think they are ian...those juwel tanks have a full hood ...the holes of the spray bar are facing down too intoo the water... so i think the only thing that will make water go out of the tank is if the hoses pop out of the fasterners in the tank.....touch wood

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23 Jan 2013 20:01 - 23 Jan 2013 20:02 #11 by davey_c (dave clarke)
once the glass was clean it should be fine because their new suction cups but no harm giving them a tug to make sure their well stuck ;)

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23 Jan 2013 20:06 #12 by des (des)
I think that pretty much covers everything Sean
great advice from Ian, John & Dave as usual
...brackets for the spray bar....when fixing, make sure that they are not over any of the holes
that got Me in the past... a light Ballasts worst nightmare...
I don't really use Spray Bars, I prefer the other type of return nossels but this is because I have an Internal running in the tank aswel, a U4, I use this more so to create surface agitation, great Filter for aeration too...
In relation to the noise of the Filter, just make sure both the Intake and return are fully submerged
and keep pumping the primer button on the top of the filter until the bubbles are gone, when the water returns completely clear of bubbles, plug it in and happy days...

You'll See a huge difference in water quality once the Filter is settled
Externals are where it's at...


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23 Jan 2013 20:28 #13 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
Cheeers lads...ill just have to keep an eye on it over the next night or two make sure nothing comes loose. I didnt seed it at all... as ian told me in pm ... the bacteria in the water will eventually grow in it.... thanks for everyones input as always...

Des will any other danio shoal with my kerris, i know u havent had kerris in and would love to make the shoal from 8 to 12...

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23 Jan 2013 20:37 #14 by Q_Comets (Declan Chambers)
I have to thank you all for the question and answers. I'm book marking this for when wallet says yes to a 901

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23 Jan 2013 20:46 #15 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
glad you had the crack comets duuuude.

I love when the "top dogs" get involved... and your posts get answers with solid info

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23 Jan 2013 20:49 #16 by des (des)

...I didnt seed it at all......


I think You should have seeded the filter Sean, You might have to suffer a semi-cycle as a result...
although Your Tank is very lightly stocked by comparison to most others, so You (or more to the point, the Fish) might get away with it...


Des will any other danio shoal with my kerris, i know u havent had kerris in and would love to make the shoal from 8 to 12...


Yeah, I'd imagine the Kyathit, Hikari, Roseus, Gold Ring etc. etc. would all Shoal together, might be nice to add some different patterns/colours to the Shoal but I'd personally just keep 'em all Kerri Danios, just because they are such an eye catching species...


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23 Jan 2013 23:10 #17 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
Des when starting up a new filter in a new tank... the growing of the colonies in the bacteria and substrate takes a few weeks understandable... but is it true to say a mini cycle will occur if you add a second filter to the tank..? considering the water that will be going into the new filter is rich in the beneficial formed bacteria anyway? i was to the impression that it would just be a matter of the good bacteria settling in the new filter and nothing having to be formed all over again? if thats not the case i can do my weekly clean tomoro and seed the media then with gunk from my internal

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23 Jan 2013 23:59 #18 by davey_c (dave clarke)
correct me if i'm wrong but as far as i'm aware using an old filter in conjunction with a new filter while seeding is a fail safe against any accidents that may happen? i agree with that in circumstances depending on stock ets but if a tank is lightly stocked it would be less of a worry?
i have setup additional tanks by using 50% mature water and filter squeezings to seed an unused sponge filter while lightly stocking almost straight after without a negative reaction. while i'm not recommending anyone do the same i can see gilly's situation being of a similar process!
i would say feed sparingly and keep an eye on params while doing frequent waterchanges... would syphoning the gravel prolong the process? just asking for my own future reference B)

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24 Jan 2013 00:05 #19 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
Im a bit worried now cause i couldnt consider my tank lightly stocked davey.... my tanks been running close to 2 months now.... i presumed that installing the second filter was straight forward and that seeding was not necessary as the bacteria is already formed and mature and is just going to be re housed from one filter to another by means of the intake of the new filter....?

Am i completely wrong... do new filters cycle even though there intaking water that is rich in bacteria

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24 Jan 2013 00:15 #20 by davey_c (dave clarke)
well if anything you say you got your info from ian and that something to be desired and valued. on that basis i'd say you'll be good to go in no time :) ... if in doubt yourself though would it be feasible to stir up some substrate to let some bacteria into the water and thus being sucked into the filter? no harm in keeping an eye on things all the same for your own peace of mind :)

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24 Jan 2013 00:17 #21 by des (des)
just keep an eye on the water parameters, I'm sure it'll be fine...
All I meant is that, it is a good idea to seed a new filter, that's it...
by adding some bacteria rich media in to the new filter...


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24 Jan 2013 00:26 - 24 Jan 2013 00:27 #22 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
Yea yas are both right there guys and thats a good idea davey ill do it in the morning... whats the procedure on opening canister filters without water going everywhere... ? im still unsure of their anatomy.

I was just a bit confused because my knowledge of a tank being cycled was that there is bacteria that turns ammonia to nitrites and another that converts nitrites to nitrates....so the installation of a new filter wouldnt alter that at all....if i already had an internal doing exactly that... do you get me? i presumed that by installing a new filter the tank could only increase in maturity and not decrease into a mini cycle....

You boys know better than me so ill check parameters daily....

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24 Jan 2013 00:44 #23 by newbejkjimk (damien kelly)
Gilly if i were you i would just let it run as is with both filters instead of stressing out over noise after opening it up again or if you really wanted to seed new filter you could remove the sponge from the internal filter and tie/squeeze it onto the intake of the external filter which will seed it. then place sponge back into the internal filter and run as normal.
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24 Jan 2013 00:53 #24 by davey_c (dave clarke)
its the big sudden drop in bacteria that means it can no longer deal with the fish waste or any uneaten food as effectively as before the change over. thats why i suggested feeding sparingly so there is also a decrease in fish waste to give the new filter a chance to seed. usually if i was doing the same i wouldn't feed for maybe 2 days prior to the change so they have pooped before hand :)

when i'm opening my filter i put it in a basin, unhook the inlet/outlet coupler from the top and put it in the basin... no water will come from it apart from because its closed off by the leavers. then i open the lid and sit that in the basin, you may get a very small amount of water coming from the impeller area but thats all... then the cannister is free to do with as you please :)

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24 Jan 2013 01:00 #25 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
thats awesome davey but can i ask where does the big sudden drop in bacteria come from? i havent touched the internal filter and the internal was able to manage the bioload... so by introducing the new filter... what will kill the bacteria... if there still situated in the internal?

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24 Jan 2013 01:05 #26 by newbejkjimk (damien kelly)
was just gonna ask davey the same thing myself.
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24 Jan 2013 01:29 #27 by davey_c (dave clarke)
Oh sorry lads, my mistake, i thought you took the internal out... You'll be fine so

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24 Jan 2013 01:33 #28 by newbejkjimk (damien kelly)
Thats ok this time davey just don't let it happen again right lol B)

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24 Jan 2013 01:36 #29 by Gilly (Sean GIllivan)
Pheeewww, you had me sweating buckets there davey haha . i thought i was screwed altogether :-((

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