Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
Fish Food
- Xaribdis (Lorcan O' Brien)
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Thanks, Lorcan
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What else are you planning to stock your tank with by the way?
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I agree with the above comments - you really don't need to be trying to save money, particularly with Danios as just about all 'prepared' foods available have a balanced content and in all honesty you will not need to supplement any of them.
Some are definitely better than others and this is generally reflected in the price they cost.
For what it's worth I personally depend heavily on TetraMin flake food for the bulk of my fish, with an occasional 'treat' of frozen Cyclops or frozen Daphnia.
Of course, if you can find a source of live Daphnia to supplement this food so much the better but you would not be neglecting your fish in any way by only giving them a good quality flake. And, for one tank, you would truly not save hardly any expense by trying to make your own food either.
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U can feed them anything rly, Danio's are omnivores... I feed my fish pears, apples, banana's, garlic, pea's, courgette, cucumber, Spinach, and all kinds of frozen foods, Prawn, cod, bloodworm mysis ect...
I usually mix variations of these in a blender and freeze it. u can then break it up into bit size pieces for ur fish.
But as John said Ur danio's will be fine on flake.. n u wudnt be saving much money. I make my own food cus i got lots of big hungry fish n its sooooo expensive to get food.
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The best variety apart from normal flakes/pellets in one pack I can think of is frozen Tropical Quintet which contains bloodworms, mysis, daphnia and artemia brine shrimp. Just one of these cubes thawed out in a cup of aquarium water once a week to feed about a dozen average sized fish will suffice to supplement their diet. Tubifex worms are also a nice treat once a week also.
You will be getting other types of fish I'm sure.
I've just started up a wormery recently so I'll be nicking a few out of that once they start multiplying. Looking forward to that:cheer:
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I would love to find a reliable supplier of "black worms" here, they are very popular with catfish keepers in the US and contribute greatly to getting some difficult to spawn fish into action, but to my knowledge they are not available here and are only available for research purposes in the UK with a ridiculously high price attached.
Daragh
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As for what fish to go for next, I'm not really sure, haven't got any set stock in mind. I love the idea of an algae-eater- it gives the tank a further element of self-sustainability. So, I reckon a Pleco? Would that be one of the better algae-eaters? Apart from that I'm very undecided. So many fish I love the look of, it's hard to decide.
I suppose that brings me onto another question. How often should I stock the tank with another fish? I know I should do it slowly to allow the biological filter to adjust, but how slowly is slow? Would it be too soon to introduce another fish a week after the 6 Danios went in? Also, I have been reading up about Quarantine Tanks. I don't have one. Are they really essential?
Sorry for all the questions, but there is a lot of information to take in at the start.
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Lorcan.
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Gav’s Great Fish food Recipe for discus and community:
The Recipe
1 lb (454g) fresh beef heart
54g bloodworms
1 lb (454g) Frozen Green Peas
2 tsp Pure Spirulina Powder -
Unflavoured Gelatin Powder -
5ml (one capful) Liquid Multivitamins
Real garlic.blended.
10mls fresh orange juice
• Blend beefheart in blender with blood worms. Scoop out put to one side and keep refridgerated
• Thaw Peas, and Broccoli so they are just slightly frozen.
• Use a Blender or food processor to grind up the above. My blender is a bit small for all of this, so I did it in two batches and poured the results into a large bowl. You might find your blender has trouble with the solid nature of the ingredients; if you do, just add a little water to the blender and it will help. (Don't go overboard, but enough to get things blending is fine). The final consistancy should be a fine paste. Tiny lumps are ok.
• With the mix in a bowl, add the Spirulina Powder and the Liquid Vitamins. Stir the heck out of it with a big spoon. The final result will be a dark green liquidy paste.
• Now it's time to mix the Gelatin. The directions on the box are mostly fine; with Knox I did exactly this: Poured 1 cup of water in a pot, turned on the oven to low heat. Boiled water in a kettle. While water is heating up, add 5 packets of gelatin to the water in the pot and stir it up. When water is boiling, add 1 cup of boiling water to the pot, and stir. Keep the pot on LOW heat. (It doesn't need to be much). Note that the amount of water suggested for 5 packets on the box is MORE than what is specified here; it is intentional.
• Add the contents of the bowl slowly to the pot, stirring constantly. You want the gelatin mix (which at this point is probably the consistancy of water or maybe slightly thicker). I added a big spoonful of the green mix to the pot at a time, and stirred. Eventually you'll get the whole thing in there and your pot will be filled with a seemingly liquidy green nastiness.
• When done, pour the mix into a big wide-flat tupperware container. Anything that will give you a thickness of say, 1-2 cm. Put it in the fridge for several hours.
• After several hours, it will have the consistancy of Jelly. At this time, you can cut it up into convenient sizes, throw into ziplock bags, and freeze it until ready to use. I recommend using a very sharp knife to cut out a grid of 1cm squares.
For shop use will use ice cube trays. These will then be sold in zip lock bags.
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You can get a small source of larvae going outdoors in a large bucket - the female mosquito will lay her eggs in the water on what looks like small dark grey 'rafts'. When the eggs hatch they become the familiar little things (great description) which hang from the water surface, seemingly attached by a fine thread-like tube, which I think they breathe air through.Thanks a million for all that information. All I have now is TetraMin flake, but I'll grab some live treats every now and then. If I drop a piece of fruit/veg in as Alex mentions, do they just eat it off the rind as is? I also read somewhere else that many fish love nothing better than mosquito larvae. Anyone know if these are sold in most pet stores and are they small enough for Danios to eat them? Having just come back from South East Asia where I was tormented by bites, I love the thought of my fish eating those buggers.
As for what fish to go for next, I'm not really sure, haven't got any set stock in mind. I love the idea of an algae-eater- it gives the tank a further element of self-sustainability. So, I reckon a Pleco? Would that be one of the better algae-eaters? Apart from that I'm very undecided. So many fish I love the look of, it's hard to decide.
I suppose that brings me onto another question. How often should I stock the tank with another fish? I know I should do it slowly to allow the biological filter to adjust, but how slowly is slow? Would it be too soon to introduce another fish a week after the 6 Danios went in? Also, I have been reading up about Quarantine Tanks. I don't have one. Are they really essential?
Sorry for all the questions, but there is a lot of information to take in at the start.
Thanks,
Lorcan.
As you disturb the water they all wriggle down but eventually have to come back up to the surface - for air. It's then that's the best time to scoop some up with a fine net.
Your fish will devour them eagerly and if I remember rightly they will act as a bit of a laxative so don't use them too regularly. Another reason is that your fish would become in danger of getting preoccupied to the extent of not eating anything else if they get live food too regularly.
I have read of some people's concerns that feeding live foods such as insect larvae could bring about the introduction of disease but I have never had this happen, just carefully rinse off the water they come from under a running tap for a while and you will be OK.
I would be very loath to recommend you buy Plecos - many of these will grow (very quickly) to well over a foot long! - Far better to go for the Bristle-Nose Ancistrus type of Catfish, they are still very good at algae/waste management...and a five-inch specimen is a big one!
Your water perameters should tell you when it's safe to add more fish, but not too many at any one time.
John
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What type of worms are you using, I started one using bought "tiger" worms only to find out after "preparing" them, a process I would not be keen to repeat, that the fish didn't eat them. I read later that the tiger worms are bitter and you are better off working with garden worms.
I would love to find a reliable supplier of "black worms" here, they are very popular with catfish keepers in the US and contribute greatly to getting some difficult to spawn fish into action, but to my knowledge they are not available here and are only available for research purposes in the UK with a ridiculously high price attached.
Daragh
Hi Daragh
Yes I'm using the tiger worms which are also known as red worms, brandling worms along with some Latin name.
I only got the wormery yesterday so I will only try them with the fish after a few weeks or so to give them a chance to settle down. I was reading Valerie's piece earlier in the articles section and she says that fish just have to get used to them. Also if your wormery becomes too acidic(which is not ideal for long periods) there is a good chance you will get white worms which your fish will almost surely accept.
I did a bit of research on black worm cultures and the general consensus is they are just not worth the hassle. They seem to be high maintenance and the dead ones give off a putrid smell. I'll just play this by ear for the time being. I'll keep you posted of any developments.
Dave
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I wouldn't be interesting in culturing black worms, but if there was a regular supply available you can keep them several days in a fridge with the right containers. I tried to buy some from US last year but the seller would not post as they were alive

Daragh
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