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Alexus (Zaza)
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11 Jul 2010 17:40 - 11 Jul 2010 17:41 #1 by Alexus (Zaza)

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hi everyone

it seems I have a strong epidemic of white spot in my tank
I can see white spots on breast fins and breast fins are falling a parts

I did try Protozin 2x Plus they recommend to use only for 4 days I did use it for 8 but no effect what so ever
then i started King British WS3 again no effect or I think even worse

someone told me to keep temperature 28 C for 3-4 days , I dd that as well, no effect,

Please help if someone knows any good solution to kill this parasite

Regards

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11 Jul 2010 18:01 - 11 Jul 2010 18:05 #2 by Ma (mm mm)

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Hi Alexus,

28 will speed up the parasite lifecycle, seeing as you seem to have an epidemic that may not do it before your fish die. 10-14 days is better at high temprature.

I got ich and rid myself of it in 2 weeks with no meds, AFTER it killed a loach that brought the infection, my first purchase in a now improved lfs

I put the temprature up to 30-31 for 4 days(make sure this will not kil the fish you have) and a further 10 days at 28 degrees with a gravel vac n 15% water change every other day and a good flow in the tank, no stagnant areas so you may need to remove decor or add a power head and also drastically improve aeration at higher tempratures.

Some strains can deal with that temprature but hope you are not that unlucky.

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11 Jul 2010 18:04 #3 by David (David)

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Hi Alexus

Unfortunatly it sounds like you fish have got fin rot this is caused bt parasite infection in your case white spot

the white spot more often is caused by stress before anytreatment will work you need to find out whats stressing them and remove it.

The Fin Rot might subside if you can remove the stress elements generally you would need to take them to a vet but no gaurantees that they can do anything

for the white spot warm the water to around 27o this will speed up the parasite growth and ide use interpet anti white spot to kill it off also remove carbon from filter

hope there is a little help in this for you

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11 Jul 2010 18:08 #4 by Rolly (Ruaidri Hegarty)

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i find Sera Med Protazol very effective, and safe to use on sensitive fish too. got it on the net from the green machine..

if ya need it in a hurry though ya can drop me a pm as i have some left..

Rolly

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11 Jul 2010 18:32 #5 by Alexus (Zaza)

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I have cichlids

and what worse, today morning I find out they are breading, 3 little ones in the rocks

27o is a normal temp in the tank,
about the stress, well chiclid tank

there is always some stress as u know,
but nothing particular , In that thank I have a water flow of around 3000 L p/h in 250 L tank

so I'll try to keep 30o for 4 days then
and will try to get Sera Med Protazol let see how it goes

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11 Jul 2010 21:54 #6 by David (David)

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Hi
hope i dont over step the mark hear
after noting that you said there were fry in your tank i looked into this a little further and found the following comment on the fry.

As young fry, or the baby fish, are very prone to diseases and other problems, you need to make certain that you have a lot of experience in African Cichlid care. As the fry are prone to problems, you will need to know best how to protect the young fish while still giving them the diet that they need to grow healthy and strong.

it is possible that its the mother and fry that are causing you problems

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11 Jul 2010 23:05 - 11 Jul 2010 23:06 #7 by Ma (mm mm)

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Hi,
Few rules of thumb to folowing regarding your problem. Please don't take this as patronising, I learn the hard way myself:)

It is very important that you identify as best as possible the causes of the spots\lesions ect before treating.
Do NOT use medicine and heat together as medicine may already reduce oxygen, increased aeration may not always work if high temprature and certain medicationss are used.
Give sufficient times between treatments and completely remove meds when finished with the treatment cycle.

Do NOT extend or otherwise adjust treatments from the specified directions accompanied by the medicine.

Mark

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21 Jul 2010 17:30 #8 by Alexus (Zaza)

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hi
Everyone

Ok I've go t this Sera med Protazol 2x25mlI set tank temperature to 30o
and did use this medicament
as instruction says I did remove all kind of carbons and turned off UV
after 24 hours did change some 25% of the water
Instructions says 2 days spots can be still visible,
ok I did keep water temp in case to 30o

after 3 days I've seen spots are not gone so i did repeat the treatment
exactly the same way , now we are 4th day I can see that the infections are less than before but I still can see it adn I'm sure it will grow in couple of days

SO can't really understand this medication says after one dose white spot must be gone I did use twice and still there,

The baby fish are ok , and eating well, surprisingly they are growing fast they are on ready 1 inch

and not sure do I have to order some more of this Sera med Protazol ?
so far it is the only one made some difference, but not sure how many times I can use it

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21 Jul 2010 18:30 #9 by Fishowner (Gavin fishowner)

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Firstly,can you perhaps post a few pics...the fact the white spot has not gone yet would suggest its either a very bad dose of white spot or else its something else. Another thing you need to look at is why your fish are getting white spot,if they have it in the first case then its been caused by something.Are your fish stressed,are conditions in the tank appropriate...whats your readings..
Whitespot often occurs when water quality drops and indeed if fish are stressed,you dont mention what your set up is and what inhabitants you have.If the White spot isnt going away the root of the problem may still exist.

Gavin

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21 Jul 2010 20:15 - 21 Jul 2010 20:58 #10 by Alexus (Zaza)

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ok here are the pics,

First one is showing how the infection is progressing

other one gives general Idea about the tank

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and this one is the little baby fella

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Water condition seems to be ok, no Nit's

I'm also using kent's Malawi water replicator, (i'm using it for a long time now so hasn't to do anything with infection)

so water must be Malawi standard

PH 8.0 - 8.2

250 L Tank

Water filtration with 3x Tetratec 1200
so in total must be 3600 l/h but I suspect with all media it is about 3.000 l/h
and using GBL UV 2x11W

SO i suppose water must be perfect, it was anyway till I've got 2 new fish about 2 months a go

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21 Jul 2010 20:46 - 21 Jul 2010 20:49 #11 by Ma (mm mm)

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Very nice setup

It doesn't look like Ich at all but as said Fin Rot thoough this is hard to tell for certain from the pictures, for spots that big to be on a fish with Ich would mean at least some would have a fair amount on their body too, with lots of flashing off decor aswell.

It looks as though the new comers might have brought some bacteria with them which has infected the others, looking at your tank pics, it would not take long for it to pass from fish to fish.

Most people cant afford space or time for a quarentine tank, a antibacterial dip such as Methylene blue and aquarium or Epsom salts is a good treatment to dip fish into before introducting them to your aquarium and treating external bacterial infections, you could try a dip for the infected fish and regardless of filtration keep the tank "OCD" clean while you are attempting to clear this infection.

I am sure some other members can better explain how you might tackle this from this point on, never had it.

Is it possible it is scaring and fighting damage with the new fish causing a bit of a rucus with the long timers?

Good luck

Mark

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21 Jul 2010 21:21 - 21 Jul 2010 21:22 #12 by Alexus (Zaza)

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Hi

Fighting yes , "Malawi tank" that is in there nature.

I noticed do as less they are in the tank as more aggressive they became,

so for Malawi tank they are I'd say much more quiet then supposing to be.

Space I think it is plenty of space, the tank is with oval front and shows 1/2 of space than it is in reality.

Sacred, do no, they usually loosing the color when they seem to be stressed, but I can't see any for last 7-8 months

they are in my office room, so I think they used to see me , except S. Petricolas but I think it is in there nature to hide 24/7

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21 Jul 2010 21:46 #13 by David (David)

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Hi

If your tank has still not cleared up you could try salt baths for your infected fish if it is not white spot it possible another type of fungal infection and using salt might help.

There are differant ways of using salt you can bath the fish individualy or add low amounts to the tank.
It is imperative that the right salt be used its not just table salt and would strongly suggest if you were to think about this option find out as much as possible about adding salt to tanks
am sure there is someone hear who could advise better on this than i

www.tropicalfishcentre.co.uk/Diseases1.htm

might be some info on the above sight that might help

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21 Jul 2010 23:22 #14 by derek (Derek Doyle)

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there is probably nothing wrong with these fish, other than the normal wear and tear of a malawi community. malawis rarely get white spot and as long as the ph and water quality are ok they should be fine. just drop temp back to normal and do a partial water change to dilute any unneccessary medication. as malawis mature and breed the aggression increases and the mouth and pectoral fins are the most likely areas to suffer damage during disputes, but they generally heal up given time.

30 tanks specialise in african cichlids, angelfish and various catfish

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