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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)
Hi,
John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.
I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.
With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.
I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.
If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.
I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.
I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.
Thank you
Darragh Sherwin
Cant spot white spot
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20 Jul 2010 11:19 #1
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Hi
I recently had a outbreak of white spot in my tank. It killed one of my clown loaches a catfish and a baby angle fish. I treated the tank over a 3 week period and unfortunately lost these fish as the treatment was ongoing. I can’t notice any white spot in the tank at the moment but I am very concerned it will return. Is there any way to test if the worst is over? When the ich came along I was only building my tank and I really don’t know if i should now continue were i left of. At the moment I have 2 rosy bards, 2 tiger barbs, 1 pleco, 1 bala shark, 1 adult angel fish and one clown loach. I want to add more bala sharks as i beleave they are much better in groups. I also want to get two more clown loaches as they are great fun. I really want a Siamese fighting fish but I don’t think they will go with my rosy's???If anybody could recommend any other fish that may live happy alongside my current fish.
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I recently had a outbreak of white spot in my tank. It killed one of my clown loaches a catfish and a baby angle fish. I treated the tank over a 3 week period and unfortunately lost these fish as the treatment was ongoing. I can’t notice any white spot in the tank at the moment but I am very concerned it will return. Is there any way to test if the worst is over? When the ich came along I was only building my tank and I really don’t know if i should now continue were i left of. At the moment I have 2 rosy bards, 2 tiger barbs, 1 pleco, 1 bala shark, 1 adult angel fish and one clown loach. I want to add more bala sharks as i beleave they are much better in groups. I also want to get two more clown loaches as they are great fun. I really want a Siamese fighting fish but I don’t think they will go with my rosy's???If anybody could recommend any other fish that may live happy alongside my current fish.
Any advice would be welcome
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20 Jul 2010 11:33 #2
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what size is your tank? as regards to which fish to add. i would def forget about the betta.
as for the white spot hopefully your over the worst of it. it can be very common in a new set up, especially with clown loach, if you have or can get hold of a quarantine tank and keep and new arrivals in it for 3 or 4 weeks before adding to main tank, to check of any signs of illness,
hopefully you seen the last of the dreaded ich it can be a real pain in the A**E..
as for the white spot hopefully your over the worst of it. it can be very common in a new set up, especially with clown loach, if you have or can get hold of a quarantine tank and keep and new arrivals in it for 3 or 4 weeks before adding to main tank, to check of any signs of illness,
hopefully you seen the last of the dreaded ich it can be a real pain in the A**E..
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20 Jul 2010 13:04 #3
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As Dyco said, Clowns are notorious for catching Ich. It has to do with them not being true-scaled fish or some such (I'm sure somebody on here can give a more scientific answer). For this reason they are a bad choice for a new tank, despite their terrific snail-munching abilites. I'd stay away from them until your tank is well established. For the moment, you should stick with hardier fish and you can always donate them to someone else later. For now, don't stock your tank with anything else- some of the surviving fish could still be infectious.
As for the Betta, I wouldn't talk anyone out of getting a young one. The scarlet Betta I have in my tank right now is my favourite fish. He's very unaggressive and keeps to himself most of the time, except when quizzically following my Knife around the tank. I have heard, however, that a young male will not have developed the tendency to be aggressive until in contact with females, so perhaps that is the key. Again maybe someone on here will have more advice on that.
As for the Betta, I wouldn't talk anyone out of getting a young one. The scarlet Betta I have in my tank right now is my favourite fish. He's very unaggressive and keeps to himself most of the time, except when quizzically following my Knife around the tank. I have heard, however, that a young male will not have developed the tendency to be aggressive until in contact with females, so perhaps that is the key. Again maybe someone on here will have more advice on that.
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20 Jul 2010 13:06 #4
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Yea the quarantine tank would be a good idea but im not sure what size is required. My tank is 220L.
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20 Jul 2010 16:05 #5
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About 25% of the main tank size.
55 to 60 litres., remember that if there is disaster in your main tank, the fish can live albeit in a small space for a while while you sort out the problem, as well as a quarentine, can be a breeding tank too. Very useful.
Mark
55 to 60 litres., remember that if there is disaster in your main tank, the fish can live albeit in a small space for a while while you sort out the problem, as well as a quarentine, can be a breeding tank too. Very useful.
Mark
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20 Jul 2010 16:30 #6
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Thanks for all the help on this everybody. I may just get one betta and try him out as I can always pass him on. I just hope the ich is gone. I have already priced a second tank as I am starting to realize its a necessity. Any other suggestions on compatible fish welcome.
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20 Jul 2010 17:05 #7
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Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:Cant spot white spot
I hate to be the bringer of bad tidings but the fins of your proposed Male Betta will attract your Tiger Barb and to a slightly lesser extent, the Rosy Barbs, like a magnet!
Tigers, especially, are notorious Fin-nippers and would decimate a Betta's fins in very short time.
Also they really are Fish of entirely different environments - Bettas originating in slow, if not static water, while the Barbs come from much faster streamier water altogether. To keep both wouldn't be fair on either the Betta (if you tried to recreate conditions for the others) or for the Barbs, Balas etc (if you were to try to have a slow-moving water-flow to suit the Betta).
My suggestion would be to look for other faster-current Fish - there are lots out there - how about a shoal of Corydoras Catfish as bottom-dwellers, some Rummynose Tetras for mid-water and a few Hatchet Fish as surface feeders? - Really the choice is endless.
I would add that if the White Spot had not been cleared up you would see it - by now it would be all over your Fish! But, that isn't to say you will not reintroduce it when adding new Fish - the very reason why a quarantine tank is such an important necessity these days. This cannot be stressed sufficiently!
One last thing - add to your stock levels gradually to allow the whole fitration system time to cope with the increased load the new stock levels bring about.
John
Tigers, especially, are notorious Fin-nippers and would decimate a Betta's fins in very short time.
Also they really are Fish of entirely different environments - Bettas originating in slow, if not static water, while the Barbs come from much faster streamier water altogether. To keep both wouldn't be fair on either the Betta (if you tried to recreate conditions for the others) or for the Barbs, Balas etc (if you were to try to have a slow-moving water-flow to suit the Betta).
My suggestion would be to look for other faster-current Fish - there are lots out there - how about a shoal of Corydoras Catfish as bottom-dwellers, some Rummynose Tetras for mid-water and a few Hatchet Fish as surface feeders? - Really the choice is endless.
I would add that if the White Spot had not been cleared up you would see it - by now it would be all over your Fish! But, that isn't to say you will not reintroduce it when adding new Fish - the very reason why a quarantine tank is such an important necessity these days. This cannot be stressed sufficiently!
One last thing - add to your stock levels gradually to allow the whole fitration system time to cope with the increased load the new stock levels bring about.
John
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20 Jul 2010 18:36 - 20 Jul 2010 18:37 #8
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Id back up JohnH in his advise there...also if you are getting hatchet fish you will need to make sure you have a hood,cos they jump!!
Id avoid the betta with the fish you have already. If you really wanted to keep a betta,you can get a small tank for it of around 20 or 30 litres and it would be very happy.You could even go smaller if you really wanted to but I think 20 is the min personally.
Gavin
Id avoid the betta with the fish you have already. If you really wanted to keep a betta,you can get a small tank for it of around 20 or 30 litres and it would be very happy.You could even go smaller if you really wanted to but I think 20 is the min personally.
Gavin
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21 Jul 2010 14:43 #9
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Also I would not get Bala sharks, one full grown in a 220 litre is pushing it a bit let alone a few, they grow quite large and are very fast swmmers great jumpers and very flinchy, quite often they will bang off things when startled in any way at all.
If it has been a week or more with no sign of Ich then it has died off as it cannot live without a fish host for a few days. Loaches reside on the substrate and can pick up the floating parasite there quite easily, exessive gravel cleaning for a couple of weeks reduces the Ich spores significantly, as does water changes, the gravel vac is very important if you keep loaches and have an Ich problem.
Hopefully all is well, but never trust to hope alone for the sake of your fish and your pocket.
Mark
If it has been a week or more with no sign of Ich then it has died off as it cannot live without a fish host for a few days. Loaches reside on the substrate and can pick up the floating parasite there quite easily, exessive gravel cleaning for a couple of weeks reduces the Ich spores significantly, as does water changes, the gravel vac is very important if you keep loaches and have an Ich problem.
Hopefully all is well, but never trust to hope alone for the sake of your fish and your pocket.
Mark
Location D.11
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