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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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13 Feb 2008 22:07 #1 by sceilg (Craig Higgins)
Hello everyone.
Queries regarding betta splendens. First off, how small can bubblenests be? I have a male who appears to have \"started\" a bubblenest(which i didn't witness). Now, he seems to show no interest in the \"nest\" but hangs around the separated female. This \"nest\" he has built is very very small. Also, do females always show bars when they are ready? Can bettas have a tough time building nests in hard water?
I am unsure whether I would let them breed, but I want to aquant them.
What are the best foods for fry?
When male fry are to be separated, do they all need heated accommodation?
Cheers! :S

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13 Feb 2008 23:04 - 13 Feb 2008 23:14 #2 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:Siamese fighters
Sceilg,
Firstly this is only one person's experience with them and may be at odds with others' but for what it's worth a bubble nest can be fairly small, but if there are plants at/on the surface to help the male 'bind it together' it will not 'collapse' for want of a better word. So possibly this could be either his first attempt or just without any 'binding' material. You could try a floating item, even a small 'square' of Polystyrene like a piece of a ceiling tile or an offcut of a sheet of Bubble-Wrap, but I always found the plants to be the most successful - some Riccia or even Duckweed would be OK but any floating plant will do.
Female Bettas invariably show the horizontal lines most vividly when ready to breed, another sign is often the 'EggSpot' at the vent, I have to admit to not knowing the purpose of this but evidence of one can be a significant pointer that the Female is ready.
If your water is very hard this might be a factor, but as the male constantly adds to the bubbles you generally get a good nest eventually.
I have found Bettas are not very tolerant of high pH in their water, this can be significant, what's your water like where you are?
Is the female welcoming his advances? - You will need to remove her after egg-laying is complete as the male will become very aggressive toward her, on around the third day you will also need to take out the male as I have found the paternal instinct tends to diminish arouind that time, the fry then becoming a tasty treat!!!

You are rushing a little ahead of yourself asking about fry food, but the fry, when they become free-swimming are relatively tiny, I would definitely recommend Infusoria as a first food for Betta fry, moving on to Microworms/Brineshrimps after a few days.
And - even further along the line - yes, they DO need to be separated once the bickering starts and yes, they do need heated water, they aren't the most tolerant of fish to very cool water - they don't grow on very well in it either, here's the time when you need either loads of suitable accommodation or to be VERY positive at culling, doing away with the unwanted males - sounds horrible, but I'm afraid it NEEDS to be done.
You will probably already have read that the tank containing the fry will need to be tightly covered to prevent draughts at the water surface, the fry take their oxygen from the water in their early times but when they start to take in air from the water surface it really needs to be at the same temperature as the water is, I've lost fry at this stage - they truly are pretty delicate little lads for a while.

Keeps us informed how things progress.

John

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13 Feb 2008 23:11 - 13 Feb 2008 23:14 #3 by arabu1973 (. .)
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this is a good site www.siamsbestbettas.com/index.html or this www.e-aquarium.com.au/siamese_fighting_fish.htm and you could do a search on google or yahoo for siamese fighter and you'll get lot of info. hope this helps
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13 Feb 2008 23:36 #4 by sceilg (Craig Higgins)
I have half a styrofoam cup under which there is the \"nest\".
I have read that the female gets vertical stripes when ready?
The female isn't phased by the male and sometimes shows interest, sometimes not.
The male never blows bubbles into his little nest while I am looking at him: checked the tank-no nest. Checked back an hour later-cluster of bubbles, but still doesnt show interest in the nest while im around.

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14 Feb 2008 00:23 #5 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:Siamese fighters

I have read that the female gets vertical stripes when ready?

Perhaps mine didn't read the same articles? ;o)

The male never blows bubbles into his little nest while I am looking at him: checked the tank-no nest. Checked back an hour later-cluster of bubbles, but still doesnt show interest in the nest while im around.


He's probably bashful...seriously though if it's a 'first time' male he'll be a little confused...Have you had the pair long - and do you have a high pH? - Indian Almond leaves are highly recommended by many, I haven't tried them yet with Bettas but find them admirable for lowering pH with my attempts to hatch Killifish eggs.

John

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14 Feb 2008 00:30 #6 by sceilg (Craig Higgins)
Yes, he is a 'first-timer'. No, do not have the pair long. They only saw each other last week. As far as I know the pH was 7.2-7.4 last time I checked...

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14 Feb 2008 00:46 #7 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:Siamese fighters
I used to find it best to be slightly on the acid side of neutral but if yours are tank bred your pH should be OK.

I suggest you leave them together perhaps another day then take away the female for a couple of days...if possible give her either live food or frozen if not...then try them together again - absence, as they say, makes the heart grow fonder...

John

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