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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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18 Feb 2008 21:05 #1 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
I have been baby sitting these Koi angels for about 6 months, they were tiny when I got them. For the last two months they and another female have been spawning in their community tank, much to the delight of the corys and plecs that gobbled up the eggs as quick as they were laid. So on Saturday I decided to stick the three of them in a two foot tank of their own with a cone. Last night they were all cleaning the cone and the two females were fighting, so I removed the non-aggressor. When I came home this evening I found this:



Although I have had angels spawn before I never had them in a tank that I could try to raise the young, so hopefully this will be a first for me. That's the mother at the top.

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18 Feb 2008 21:38 #2 by Processor (Niall O'Leary)
Thats a smashing photo Daragh.
I've only managed to have guppies,mollies dannios and the like to breed and they are not as interesting as a string of eggs that you can see and not have to search for.

Fair play to you. Hope they do well.

Processor.

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18 Feb 2008 22:48 #3 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Believe me I did nothing, all credit to the fish. They spawned several times in their original tank and it was heartbreaking to see them try and defend the eggs fro a hundred hungary mouths, I just gave them a small tank and a bit of peace.

I have no idea whether they will continue to look after the eggs and fry, but I sure have my fingers crossed. At least at this stage their are no white (fungused) eggs, so it is a good start.

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18 Feb 2008 22:58 #4 by Valerie (Valerie)
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Hi Daragh,

This is a fantastic picture! :woohoo:

My angels did lay eggs the week before last too. It was amazing to see them protecting and fanning their progeny! It lasted 3 days and they ate them all (frequent for their 1st or 2nd round I believe).
I think I heard somewhere that the water should be treated to stop the eggs from being altered by fungus. Do you know what product should be used?

Thanks and regards,
Valerie

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18 Feb 2008 23:25 #5 by mickeywallace (Michael Wallace Cath Woods)
thats great to hear!
good luck Mate

Mickey Wallace & Cath Woods

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19 Feb 2008 01:20 #6 by JohnH (John)
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Valerie,

I think I heard somewhere that the water should be treated to stop the eggs from being altered by fungus. Do you know what product should be used?



I always used Methylene Blue, in no particular dilution - just enough to turn the water a fairly distinct blue colour...but I have never been convinced that it actually worked as a very efficient fungicide. This was in water the eggs were removed to, if they could be left with the parents to tend my opinion was that the adults would efficiently deal with infertile eggs and remove them before fungus ever had an opportunity to develop. I have to say that in my observation infertile eggs were the only ones to become affected with fungus, all 'good' eggs remained 'pure' and fungus-free. However, the fungus on infertile/damaged eggs would be seen to spread over across the fertile ones but would not appear to adversely damage these ones. I have had fry develop underneath a 'haze' of fungus and become free-swimming just fine, fungus only appears to develop on damaged tissue or eggs.
I was speaking recently with a very proficient Angel Fish breeder and he told me he never uses any sort of disinfectant but keeps the water religiously clean, changing much of the water daily, his theory being that with water being this 'pure' fungus spores would not be in the water in sufficient numbers to 'colonise' the infertile eggs. I like this suggestion and it is one I plan to try out extensively as soon as my 'fish room' is complete.
Other disinfectants suggested are Malachite Green, Acriflavine and Formalin, sometimes all together in various percentage mixtures. I even recall one breeder swearing by using pure untreated tap water - chlorine and all, to hatch the eggs in! He reasoned that the additions in the tap water were just the job to prevent fungus developing on the eggs - I will admit to having tried this ploy too but was left with no positive results to say if it did work!!!
But it reiterate that I feel if the eggs can possibly be left with the parents and remain unmolested they should be...these other suggestions are very much second best compromises.

John

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N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


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It's a long way to Tipperary.

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19 Feb 2008 11:02 #7 by Tom (Tom Brecknell)
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Fantastic photo and best of luck with the Angel eggs/fry.B)

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19 Feb 2008 19:14 #8 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
Great clear photo.
Do you have problems with fungused eggs with other fish?
If not i would do with out the fungicide.
I dont keep angels but i dont recall ever reading the eggs are prone to fungus. I could be wrong.

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19 Feb 2008 19:46 #9 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
I just worte a long reply to you Valerie and then clicked cancel by mistake ARGH!

So here is the essense of the lost post.

I have no experience with angel eggs so I have no advice to offer, however for corys some breeders add a drop or two of meth blue to a tub of water but change 50% of the water daily so that the meth blue is gone by the time the eggs hatch.

For corys I use almond leaves, so I threw a couple of them in with the angels.

Unfortunately as I speak there are about 5% of the eggs fungused, but I still have my fingers crossed.

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19 Feb 2008 20:39 #10 by Valerie (Valerie)
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@ Daragh and JohnH,

Thank you so much for the short long and the long reply respectively ! :laugh: :laugh:

I am looking forward to the next time around in my tank !!!

In the meantime, best of luck with the Angelfish eggs, Daragh ; keep us updated !

Valerie

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21 Feb 2008 17:57 - 21 Feb 2008 17:59 #11 by Deeco (Deeco)
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Daragh Leave the angels alone they will decide which eggs are infertile or not along with disturbing water

they may all be but if they breed a couple times before i doubt it,
usually the first batch or 2 from mates can be sterile

Cracking photo What camera do you use?

You know yourself

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01 Mar 2008 21:12 #12 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Deeco - The camera is a Canon 1D MkII N with 100mm macro lens.

They ate the eggs after two days. But they layed again on Friday night, unfortunately this time they only looked after the eggs for a short time and ate them all by this morning.

I have another pair that I want to try so those two have gone back to their home tank for a while and two more have gone into the breeding tank, we'll see what happens.

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17 Mar 2008 19:28 #13 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Daragh_Owens wrote:

I have another pair that I want to try so those two have gone back to their home tank for a while and two more have gone into the breeding tank, we'll see what happens.


The new pair spawned last Saturday week and over the next 24 hours I noticed the male had no interest at all in the eggs and it was the feamale that was mouthing and fanning them, so I removed the male.

The eggs hatched and became free swimming today. This afternoon the females was still attentive and trying to keep all the kids together, but I went out for a few hours and returned to find the cow had eaten the lot, not even one fry left!

So back to square one, I will pick another pair later. I know I could have removed the female too, but I would prefer to leave the mothier at least in for the first few days, more natural.

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17 Mar 2008 19:54 #14 by derek (Derek Doyle)
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tough luck daragh. removing eggs or fry too early is the main reason for the genocidal tendencies of parent fish. as the young fish reach adulthood, they make poor parents because of the lack of imprinting of the rearing process.
thats why wild caught fish always make better parents. for example wild caught tropheus and most wild caught tanganyikans will breed easily given the right conditions and the mothers are extremely reliable. but because of their high price professional breeders always strip the mothers eggs and the resultant fish will grow up to be unreliable parents.

30 tanks specialise in african cichlids, angelfish and various catfish

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17 Mar 2008 19:55 #15 by Valerie (Valerie)
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@ Daragh,

Awww... sorry to hear that. So far forward in the breeding process, it's heart breaking. Maybe the next batch ?!

Valerie

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17 Mar 2008 23:39 #16 by platty252 (Darren Dalton)
What a slap in the face. Better luck next time.
Your male starlight B.N. came in handy again with another batch of eggs today.
Although he gave the female a bad beating.
I think he even sucked one of her eyes out. Ouch!

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18 Mar 2008 00:07 #17 by Daragh_Owens (Daragh Owens)
Wow, that's a nasty price to pay for the services of a male. I can only apologise on my fishes behalf :ohmy:

I hope she recoveres ok. Great news about the other batch, so soon after the first.

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