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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

Stendker discus

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26 Jan 2007 09:35 #1 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
Stendker discus was created by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
have a look at this link
lds80-86-91-45.webperoni.de/forum/topic.php?id=694&;

Stendker's set up. Just have a look at the stocking densities. 1l of water per 1cm of fish, my eye....

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26 Jan 2007 09:40 #2 by Anthony (Anthony)
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And I taught my Malawi tank was over stocked.
Makes me want to set up another tank and cram it with Discus.

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26 Jan 2007 10:29 #3 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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And I am worrying if my tank can take 20 rummynoses more...

We should be aiming for something like this for the auction. Don't mind the first couple of people having a smoke

lds80-86-91-45.webperoni.de/forum/topic.php?id=1310&;

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26 Jan 2007 12:45 #4 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
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If discus look that nice nowadays, I might be tempted to go back to keeping them.

If you look carefully at the plumbing its all on a central system, so
the glass tanks could be holding 30% of the total mass of the water,
I suppose if the electric went off they would struggle after 2 hours,
I guess as its a professional set up the have alarms that call a mobile to get someone to come down to squirt hydrogen peroxide into the tanks or may be even a generator like in a hospital?

I have a marine tank at almost that stocking tank, but hidden under neath is a filter the same size of the tank on show.

Fair play to the Germans, they also have found a way of putting their towels on the sundeck chairs at 5AM and can fill the beaches just like their tanks, by 7AM.

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!

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26 Jan 2007 14:58 #5 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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He has a fairly massive filter system from what the old man tells me but also the option to switch every tank to individual filtration.
Glad to see that I have almost won you over from the dark side.

By the way I fall out of the pub at 5pm if they are opened that long. Can't comment on the towel situation. Personally don't care for pool side.

By the way, Claudia Schiffer's got a house on Mallorca as well. If she orders a Sky system let me know. You will need an interpretor

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27 Jan 2007 03:22 #6 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
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I mention some well know Irish people a few days ago as there is an Irish interest in this forum. The British out number the Irish 200 to 1, At least a third of my clients are British well know figures and I dont want to mention them for security reasons, from as low as the guy that set up a table dancing bar in Dublin to as as high as the 2nd in command of the British Government, beard guy that owns an airline the list would go on, but the Irish ones I though you would be interested in, but your are not so not lets drag it out.

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!

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27 Jan 2007 17:19 #7 by Penguin (Penguin)
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Wow- that guys says he is feeding the discuss 1.5 tons of beef hearts, plus lots of other stuff? Just... wow.

(orginially from Switzerland, speak fluent German)

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27 Jan 2007 19:41 #8 by Anthony (Anthony)
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Wow- that guys says he is feeding the discuss 1.5 tons of beef hearts, plus lots of other stuff? Just... wow.

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USE THE FORCE MISTER STENDKER. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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29 Jan 2007 04:41 #9 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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Hi Anthony
of course he uses beefheart. he's a commercial breeder and his aim is to grow them to a size where they can be sold in the shortest possible time. Sort of agriculture for discus. That doesn't make it right. You could compare this to feeding salt to pigs to increase there water uptake und this their weight before slaughter.
I have been ranting of PFK for some time now but in this month's issue they do a very acceptable if basic article on cichlid nutrition. In short, no beefheart because it contains too much fat (even if you can't see it) and discus feed partially on plant matter as shown by stomach contents analysis as done by Heiko Bleher. Sean and myself have been trying (rather unsuccessfully) to explain that to you before. Have a read.

Holger

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29 Jan 2007 05:26 #10 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
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excellent post Holger :!:

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!

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29 Jan 2007 05:29 #11 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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Thanking you kindly. I'm afraid that whole discussion will start again

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29 Jan 2007 07:56 #12 by Anthony (Anthony)
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The Discussion won`t start up again. Must have alook at this article.
I wonder how much unsolved plant matter there was in the stomach.
By the way I don`t keep Discus anymore but I have kept Stendkers in the past and they are fabulous fish.He also only breeds form the biggest Discus hence the bigger gene and not pumped up fish as you suggest. I have bought juviniles bred from Stendke parents and they show phenomenal growth compared to other Discus I have grown on too.
Not saying the Stendker brothers are saints either.

I also only fed my Discus beefheart twice a week not everyday as you seem to suggest.
You are getting side tracked again. My first post was not about beefheart being the holy grail of Discus keeping it was about Discus not being able to break down fully plant matter.

Hope this post does not get side tracked and boring again.

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29 Jan 2007 08:41 #13 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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Read the article. I am just trying to get my hands on the Bleher research paper

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29 Jan 2007 10:34 #14 by Anthony (Anthony)
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I wonder did it disappear like the German one.(Hope that does not sound racist mate) but another Greman guy did the same investigation and he removed his findings almost immediately after he issued them.

Don`t lose any sleep over it. Not worth the hassle of dragging it on again.

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29 Jan 2007 10:59 #15 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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I was just informed that the research findings are published in his most recent book (available in Englisch before you start). It's called Bleher's Discus-A Monography Vol. 1. ISBN is 8890181613
. Rather pricey though at 125 US dollars

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30 Jan 2007 08:22 #16 by Anthony (Anthony)
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I was just informed that the research findings are published in his most recent book (available in Englisch before you start). It's called Bleher's Discus-A Monography Vol. 1. ISBN is 8890181613
. Rather pricey though at 125 US dollars


I might buy 2 incase one gets damaged. :lol: :lol:

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30 Jan 2007 08:46 #17 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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Any chance for a permanent loan of one of the copies? Your house could burn down and it would be a shame to lose both copies in the fire :lol:

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30 Jan 2007 08:48 #18 by Anthony (Anthony)
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I have a signed copy of Discus the Naked truth by Andrew Soh, I will lend it to you but its my pride and joy.

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21 Feb 2007 09:47 #19 by russell (russell)
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Great Stuff
Poor old Mary Baily got it wrong AGAIN, on her page in PFK she slates the use of it,
Turn the next page and you will see what the good guide is for nutrition
SPIRO
LECITHIN
ALACIN
The 3 main ingreidients that go into beef heart mix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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22 Feb 2007 02:50 #20 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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Hi Russell,
let's not confuse the issue. Beefheart does not contain spiro, lecithin or alacin.
Spiro is an algae, unless cows started a symbiosis with algae beefheart contains 0% . If you find a symbiosis they probably put you forward for the Nobel prize in biology...
Lecithin is commonly found in soya, wheat and eggs. If you are feeding beefheart you probably want to add some lecithin since it helps to breakdown fats and cholesterol and thus moght help to prevent aterial congestion and blockages....
Alacin is found in garlic. It acts as an inhibitor to fat accumulation in the body.

Basically if you feed beefheart you would want to add lecithin and alacin to prevent your fish from getting fat. They are not contained in beefheart. Quitethe opposite, you will need to add them to beefheart so your fish can break beefheart down.

Holger

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22 Feb 2007 03:27 #21 by Sean (Fr. Jack)
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Holger still remains the nutritional knowledge king of the site.
Long live the king. :lol:

That would be a ecumenical matter!!!

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22 Feb 2007 03:37 #22 by russell (russell)
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Hi mate you got it WRONG. This is what I add to the beefheart that I make up

2 Beefheart ( trimmed & de Veined takes about 1 hour to comlplete )
4 teaspoons of Lecethin
4 "" "" Spiro
4 cloves of crushed Garlic ( alacin)
A few prawns

The beef is run through a mincer twice, then the spiro. lecithin & prawns are blended in, and the crushed garlic added last .

Put in freezer bags & Rolled out half inch thich
Just before they become completely frozen I run the back of a knife diagonaly & verticaly so as to form small squares. which can be broken off.
For small Discus I use a cheese grater to give a fine flake for larger I just scrape larger pieces of with a knlfe. this is fed 3 time s a week.

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22 Feb 2007 03:42 #23 by russell (russell)
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As you can see. I wrote in the post that this is what goes into beefheart mix.

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22 Feb 2007 04:10 #24 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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Thought you might have :D Don't want to get into another pro and con of beefheart here... This has been discussed here before and we can probably go in ad infinitum. We might have some fun with it but people who don't keep discus be bored to kingdom come

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22 Feb 2007 06:12 #25 by russell (russell)
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Let's just all agree to dissagree.as long as we stick to what works for us.
At least it keeps the forum busy.
Would be a good idea to have a Discus section. ???

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22 Feb 2007 06:31 #26 by apistodiscus (apistodiscus)
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you mean 'Discus and other insults'? Only messing, yeah it would be nice

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