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Retirement and forum shutdown (17 Jan 2022)

Hi,

John Howell who has managed the forum for years is getting on and wishes to retire from the role of managing it.
Over the years, he has managed the forum through good days and bad days and he has always been fair.
He has managed to bring his passion for fish keeping to the forum and keep it going for so long.

I wish to thank John for his hard work in keeping the forum going.

With John wishing to "retire" from the role of managing the forum and the forum receiving very little traffic, I think we must agree that forum has come to a natural conclusion and it's time to put it to rest.

I am proposing that the forum be made read-only from March 2022 onwards and that no new users or content be created. The website is still registered for several more years, so the content will still be accessible but no new topics or replies will be allowed.

If there is interest from the ITFS or other fish keeping clubs, we may redirect traffic to them or to a Facebook group but will not actively manage it.

I'd like to thank everyone over the years who helped with forum, posted a reply, started a new topic, ask a question and helped a newbie in fish keeping. And thank you to the sponsors who helped us along the away. Hopefully it made the hobby stronger.

I'd especially like to thank John Howell and Valerie Rousseau for all of their contributions, without them the forum would have never been has successful.

Thank you
Darragh Sherwin

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28 Dec 2009 21:10 #1 by neki (neki)
Angels breeding! was created by neki (neki)
Hi everyone!

My pair of angels just laid eggs for the first time but most of them were not sticking in the plastic of the filter. Then when the process was over about 20-30 eggs were sticking in the plastic then they ate all of them.

Is this normal? can you tell me any tricks?

Thanks everyone and Happy New Year!!!

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29 Dec 2009 21:27 #2 by Frontosa (Tim kruger)
Hi,
Thats not unusual that they eat their first few eggs.Time will solve your problem.;)
Regards,Tim

Midlands - in the heart of Ireland.

Keeping and breeding : Frontosa Blue Zaires , Synodontis Petricola , Tropheus Red Rainbow (Kasanga) , Tropheus Moliro . Regulary fry for sale.
Community tank with P.Kribensis and different livebearers.

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04 Feb 2010 18:50 #3 by neki (neki)
Replied by neki (neki) on topic Re:Angels breeding!
My pair today had eggs for the 3rd time and still ate all of them within an hour.

Is there anything i can do to prevent them to eat their eggs?

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04 Feb 2010 20:17 #4 by Viperbot (Jason Hughes)
The parents should, over time, learn to take care of their eggs. They may spawn many times before they suss it out but they will get there. Congats and best of luck.

Jay

Location: Finglas, North Dublin.

Life
may not be the party we hoped for, but while we
are here we might as well dance.

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03 Mar 2010 13:26 #5 by darrenj (darren jordan)
how often do angels spawn

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03 Mar 2010 13:55 #6 by JohnH (John)
Replied by JohnH (John) on topic Re:Angels breeding!
Darren,
It has been my experience that Angels (domesticated varieties anyway) will lay eggs every 12-15 days. Although obviously if they still have eggs/fry this timetable can be forgotten.

What tends to happen in that scenario (ie you're lucky to have a pair which cares for their eggs and subsequent fry) is that when the fry are free-swimming and tending to 'drift away' from the attentions of the parents (and there is no definite timescale to this) the adults tend to start looking to breed again and then will view their offspring as a food source as the parental motivation leaves them and switches to a new lot of eggs either laid or about to be laid.
This isn't always the case, I once had a most unusual pair which just ignored the original fry when the new eggs were laid...but for me, that was unique and my intervention ended that!

John

Location:
N. Tipp

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl - year after year.


ITFS member.



It's a long way to Tipperary.

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13 Mar 2010 23:46 #7 by tom3179 (Tomasz Roj)
Sorry for bad quality photo. This pair of angelfishes are carrying perfectly for fry (on photo you can see fry - white dots :D ). This is first spawn for those fish. Even when i was cleaning front glass (i thought that the fry was eaten, but they just moved it in other place) parents didn't attack the fry in shock. I hope that i will get nice group of young angels. In past i had the same problem like many fishkeepers - eggs were eaten by parents. So try try and not give up :)
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13 Mar 2010 23:56 #8 by tom3179 (Tomasz Roj)
other photo just before time of spawn. i had to move them to other tank. If you have to many fast moving fishes in tank, parents can be fear so much that they can eat babies.. In new tank are just corys and few galaxies (they are sitting in one corner - angels are not letting them move on all bottom area).
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14 Mar 2010 21:31 #9 by neki (neki)
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Thanks Tom!You have got a nice pair of angels.

My pair laid eggs aroun 3-4 weeks ago and like usual they started eating them but I managed to protect some of them by puting next to them the breeding net & I left a 2-3cm space between the eggs and the breeding net where the parents couldn't reach them.

After hatching I transfered them inside the breeding net and when the fry started to swim around the parents killed them from outside the net. the breeding net is useless.

I'm waiting for the next eggs and start all over the process and this time I'll cover the breeding net with 3-4 other nets to protect the fry when swiming(@ least this is the idea)

In the breding net I've raised swordfish fry before no problems with them.

I don't believe that me pair will ever care for their fry, they've spawned 4-5 times so far.

Thanks!

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14 Mar 2010 21:37 #10 by neki (neki)
Replied by neki (neki) on topic Re:Angels breeding!
I forgot to tell I've a pair of swordfish and 2 otocinlus.

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14 Mar 2010 22:52 #11 by tom3179 (Tomasz Roj)
Hmm... are you sure that they eat eggs? or they move them in other place? After spawn, in 1-2 days (or even the same evening) they can move them even few times in other place. Usually not to far away from first, but it's more shady spot. (we think that they eat eggs/fry and we start cleaning aquarium etc and that is mistake - usually then they will eat it).
Swordfish are more dangerous for angels fry than guppies or platies. Otos are fine (will keep away from danger - parents). My breeding tank is 120l juwel, with boog wood and few plants (amazon swords etc - perfect spot for eggs lying). I have 14 corys in it and few galaxies and malaysian trumpet snails (MTS are making great job in cleaning substrate). I had before in the same size tank other pair of angels, and platies and bleeding hearts (my mistake - eggs/fry eaters). Angels spawn 4 times and always they were eating egss - its natural protecting behaviour of cichlids (enemy wont taste eggs/fry - if will wont go away so angels prefer to eat it to not let others fishes try how delicious eggs are). Try to make tank suitable for angels breeding (plants with big leafs 1-2, nice root or boogwood - after hathing eggs angels will move them in other place and they prefer to put fry in middle level of water (far away from bottom - corys, dirt etc, and far away from surface - big diferrent of temperature can kill fry). Remove swordtails from tank. You can add some snails like MTS or Apple Snails (young), avoid fast fishes even if small. Regards
Tom

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14 Mar 2010 23:09 #12 by neki (neki)
Replied by neki (neki) on topic Re:Angels breeding!
Thanks Tom!

No I've stayed in front of the tank for hours when they spawn and they start to eat them one by one till the finish them all.

I've one 80L tank, haven't got a breeding tank.

I've a sword plant by they don't even get close to that, maybe the leafs are a bit small.

I saw the pair killing the swiming fry inside the breeding net for outside so it wasn't the swordfishs who killed them. Swords dont even get close to the breeding net.

next time I put the pair of swords in the breeding net to see if the angels will eat their egg or not. If successful I might remove the swordfish from my tank.

Thanks again!

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